Liverpool are "exploring the range of options available"

[BoroMart]

We will then talk about it in the pub, at home or on here for interminable hours.

If you are ***ed, you didn't enjoy the result, you feel robbed. We've all been there, I'd prefer better officiating and if that means some tech, so be it. Too many people are just frightened of change.

 

[ForssAwakens]

I'm sure it is, but the press are all over every mistake, they never balance out with, how VAR resolved an issue and got the right result.

True but that it’s job. With black box thinking analogy, you don’t analyse mundane flights where they got it right

 

[B_G]

I do like the "challenge" idea. Each team having 2 challenges to on-field decisions and they keep their challenge if proven to be an incorrect on-field decision. This would:

a) limit the amount of times VAR is used to prevent it being constant throughout the game and disrupting the flow as much
b) should still catch the howlers providing managers aren't over zealous with their challenges
c) due to having less instances of its use, I think a bit more time could be taken where open communication could be broadcast through the stadium as it's being analysed and everyone would have an understanding of why a decision has been made

 

[ForssAwakens]

Bin VAR until the technology is proven to work.
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it’s proven to work, it’s not being operated properly

 

[Otto42]

I do like the "challenge" idea. Each team having 2 challenges to on-field decisions and they keep their challenge if proven to be an incorrect on-field decision. This would:

a) limit the amount of times VAR is used to prevent it being constant throughout the game and disrupting the flow as much
b) should still catch the howlers providing managers aren't over zealous with their challenges
c) due to having less instances of its use, I think a bit more time could be taken where open communication could be broadcast through the stadium as it's being analysed and everyone would have an understanding of why a decision has been made

This works well in cricket and actually adds to the spectacle.

 

[B_G]

This works well in cricket and actually adds to the spectacle.

Also use in NFL

 

[Muttley]

Too many people are just frightened of change.

That old nonsense. Change for change sake is ALWAYS a good idea then? Embrace the bright new future of watching bits of a football match between staring at a big screen to tell you what happened several minutes ago. Brilliant entertainment.

Idiots that think that a fraction of a percentage improvement in decision making is worth ruining the experience of attending a game of football for the sake of the pundits and armchair experts are just that, idiots. Might not a bigger change be achieved by stopping the microscopic analysis of refereeing errors and placing more emphasis on respect for the laws of the game and the referees in particular? Yellow cards for dissent, diving and all other minor infringements that have been allowed to become accepted as part of the game. And if that means we end up with several games of seven a side until the player learn to behave so be it. I don't like pointing to rugby but. You know, rugby...

But, if we must have VAR it has to be challenge based as @B_G proposes.

 

[BoroMart]

That old nonsense. Change for change sake is ALWAYS a good idea then?

It isn't change for change sake, it's change to provide more accurate decision making.

Embrace the bright new future of watching bits of a football match between staring at a big screen

Except 95%+ of the time is the game and not 95% waiting and watching a screen as you allude. When people start exaggerating, it usually means they're engaging the prejudiced side of their personality.

Idiots that think that a fraction of a percentage improvement in decision making is worth ruining the experience of attending a game of football for the sake of the pundits and armchair experts are just that, idiots.

Ah, so everyone with an alternative view to you is an idiot. Arrogance personified.

Might not a bigger change be achieved by stopping the microscopic analysis of refereeing errors

What you want to stop people doing what you said you like to do, go down the pub after the game and talk about the decisoins? How exactly are you going to enforce this radical thought control policy? Have thought guardians in the pub arresting people who question a ref decision, make it a breach of contract for football commentators to comment on the referee? Fine people for posting a rant at a ref on twitter? You are asking for something that is impractical.

Yellow cards for dissent, diving and all other minor infringements that have been allowed to become accepted as part of the game. And if that means we end up with several games of seven a side until the player learn to behave so be it. I don't like pointing to rugby but. You know, rugby...

This is an entirely separate point, yes players and team officials complain during the game, but that isn't where the majority of noise comes from, it's from the stands, the fans and the press. As above the pressure is from media, and social media, not so much the team officials.....and getting rid of VAR will not change the behaviour of players one jot.

 

[Jedi boro]

They don’t have the right to request it, I’d suspect it’ll be turned down.

It’s been granted it will be released

 

[Muttley]

Ah, so everyone with an alternative view to you is an idiot. Arrogance personified.

Whereas describing those opposed to VAR as "frightened of change" is just, well what?

You are so convinced of the merits of VAR you are willing to ignore its failings but that isn't arrogance it is just embracing your bight new future for 95% of the time (or whatever other numbers you care to make up)

The issue of correct decision making being of over-riding importance is a nonsense. But you do you eh?

 

[Rofesleg]

Are Liverpool suggesting something dodgy went on? Why else would they want to hear the audio?
We already know a mistake was made due to human error.
So I reckon they must believe the error was deliberate.

 

[Pak_Doo_Ik]

I still think people are missing the bigger point, this isn’t about a wrong decision.

The Video Assistant Referee gave the right decision but wasn’t watching the game he was officiating on, so what was he doing??? Firstly what was he doing just during the build up to the Liverpool goal, as it is being claimed he thought a goal had been given, and then what was he doing after the game had restarted as it apparently took him 7 seconds to realise his mistake. Once the PGMOL answer those two things will become clearer.

I’m not saying anything sinister has deliberately taken place but Darren England was being paid to officiate in the game and for at least 1 minute of this he wasn’t (if the accounts of what happened are to be believed)

 

[Jedi boro]

Are Liverpool suggesting something dodgy went on? Why else would they want to hear the audio?
We already know a mistake was made due to human error.
So I reckon they must believe the error was deliberate.

The way this all unfolding it’s clear they are after one of two outcomes

Money

Or

A rematch

There’s no other reason to pursue this other wise.

 

[BoroMart]

It’s been granted it will be released

That is a really, really slippery slope

 

[Jedi boro]

That is a really, really slippery slope

Isn’t it just

It opens up for legal action now as well I’d assume. The whole thing is a can of worms.

 

[BoroMart]

I’m not saying anything sinister has deliberately taken place but Darren England was being paid to officiate in the game and for at least 1 minute of this he wasn’t (if the accounts of what happened are to be believed)

human error, happened before VAR and will continue

 

[ForssAwakens]

I still think people are missing the bigger point, this isn’t about a wrong decision.

The Video Assistant Referee gave the right decision but wasn’t watching the game he was officiating on, so what was he doing??? Firstly what was he doing just during the build up to the Liverpool goal, as it is being claimed he thought a goal had been given, and then what was he doing after the game had restarted as it apparently took him 7 seconds to realise his mistake. Once the PGMOL answer those two things will become clearer.

I’m not saying anything sinister has deliberately taken place but Darren England was being paid to officiate in the game and for at least 1 minute of this he wasn’t (if the accounts of what happened are to be believed)

What if Darren England has an undiagnosed attention disorder?

 

[Pak_Doo_Ik]

What if Darren England has an undiagnosed attention disorder?

If he has, I’m sure he’ll be reffing us soon enough

 

[Jedi boro]

Not sure it’s been mentioned but someone mentioned it on talk sport that they may have been watching the Ryder cup at the time.

If this is correct then it’s a shocking revelation and shows where there priorities are.

I honestly can’t believe that’s the case but it has been suggested.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I don't get why so many people want football teams and fans to just "suck it up" when game-changing decisions are wrongly made by officials. Why should we be happy to put up with that? Why shouldn't we advocate for change?? It shouldn't be acceptable in this day and age, with all the technology we have, for incorrect (big) decisions to cost teams points.

If someone scored a clear handball against us in the last minute when we were leading 1-0, or there was a repeat of Jacob Butterfield's goal against Wednesday that wasn't given, and there was a pause around the stadium while we went to a VAR check... how many of you lot would be complaining and saying "no, don't check it, just carry on, terrible decisions are just part and parcel of the game"?

I would. I don’t care about VAR. Jimmy punched one in against Newcastle, Wilko did it against Bristol Rovers. If we’d have had VAR in Cardiff Bolo’s penalty would’ve been disallowed. I’ve seen goals go in against us that really wind you up for a bit but you move on.

Football is a game played, managed and officiated by human beings. There will always be errors. People say VAR improves accuracy by 2% but that’s to the detriment of other areas of the game. That Brighton goal on Saturday, for example. They were flying after half time and got one back, but all that energy and momentum they’d built, as well as Villa maybe doubting themselves for a bit after conceding, was completely and utterly killed by a VAR check that lasted around three minutes. Everton had it against Luton as well.

These are the sorts of things you lose. The emotion, the spontaneity, the momentum. It’s not worth it for an ‘improvement’ of 2%.

Yes Saturday’s was a bad one but people need to get over it. It’s not going to be replayed, we’re not going to change the result.

It’s one of the things I dread should the Boro eventually get promoted. Hanging about while some bloke in a cupboard faffs about with rulers and switches. It’s just football. Play the game and stop moaning FFS.

F*CK VAR.