Labour Gain Wandsworth and may also win Westminster Council

So a bone idle c0k Tory who doesn't answer emails or attend Council meetings got in again in my ward Richmondshire albeit with a much reduced majority ahead of the only other candidate a Lib Dem.

The electorate that voted him back in are mostly half senile wealthy bigots with zero knowledge of what's happening in the world and care little for it anyway.

They'd vote for Jimmy Saville if they dug him up and put a blue rosette on him.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
worst defeat in 80 years in 2019 when Corbyn' won the argument'
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Principled Labour MP, a life long campaigner against EU membership and was made to u-turn/sit on the fence, hold the hot turn that was remain and looked untrustworthy against the most corrupt and untrustworthy this country has to offer.

Jeremy Corbyn could have wiped the floor with Boris Johnson on a soft brexit ticket.

Right wing Labour MPs more interested in keeping their noses in the trough than standing for the principles they were voted in on. Lordships, Peerages, Directorships..

Labour are dead. It wouldn’t surprise me if we saw a Con/Lab coalition next time round!
 
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Oh look, Leftys getting a dig in at the socialists. What a surprise. I never saw that coming. :rolleyes:
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It's not a dig, it's an honest assessment. It isn't just those on the left, it isn't all those on the left, it isn't just the old guard and it isn't all the old guard, but where there is opposition - and there is opposition - it is more in the old guard than the young and the further left you go, the less they compromise. That is why there are so many splinter groups on the left. They all have their own preferred version of utopia and the left wouldn't splinter so much if they were able to compromise.

They are going to have to compromise more under PR in some ways, which is why some fear it so much - ideology trumps practicality the more ideological people are - but at the same time they may be able to get a few more policies actually enacted.

Some think ideology is too important to compromise. That is a very valid point. It is where you draw lines, for me.

What is your view? Is it worth Labour being a progressive alliance to get the Tories out, at a cost of PR? Are you confident of winning without a progressive alliance? Or do you actually want Labour to fail?
 
Lefty said:
It's not a dig, it's an honest assessment.
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No it's a dig. Obviously. And it's the opposite of honest. An honest assessment would be to point out that we've had documented evidence that even paid staff members on the right of the party spent years sabotaging, we've got quotes from Blair and Mandleson and recently Reeves saying they wanted left wing Labour to lose, and that there's simply been nothing comparable done bg the left in the last two years.

Lefty said:
They are going to have to compromise more under PR in some ways, which is why some fear it so much - ideology trumps practicality the more ideological people are - but at the same time they may be able to get a few more policies actually enacted.
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I think you're getting miles ahead of events here. I genuinely don't see where you get this confidence that Starmer will ever agree to PR. His raison detre is to defang the Labour party and make it safe for tory voters.

Lefty said:
What is your view? Is it worth Labour being a progressive alliance to get the Tories out, at a cost of PR? Are you confident of winning without a progressive alliance? Or do you actually want Labour to fail?
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I'd be very happy indeed for PR to happen. Hopefully that way there'd be a non tory option on the ballot paper.

Tough to answer whether I want Labour to fail because you've imagined a policy the party doesn't have, an electoral pact the party isn't in, and the only concern you have is sabotage from the left of the party which no longer exists.

The real party that actually exists? Don't especially care either way how they get on.

The fantasy version of the party you describe? Good luck to them I guess.
 
The Tory loss is going to be around 450 seats overall I think. Wiped out in Wales, Labour now 2nd biggest party in Scotland and they've lost loads in the Tory heartlands and South Coast.

Johnson is done for.
 
SuperStu said:
No it's a dig. Obviously. And it's the opposite of honest. An honest assessment would be to point out that we've had documented evidence that even paid staff members on the right of the party spent years sabotaging, we've got quotes from Blair and Mandleson and recently Reeves saying they wanted left wing Labour to lose, and that there's simply been nothing comparable done bg the left in the last two years.
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I've lost count of the number of times I have stated that the treatment of Corbyn by those on the right was disgraceful. Have you some sort of filter in your brain?

What you suggest would be an honest assessment would have been an irrelevant detour.
 
Labour started these elections on a very high bar from the 2018 elections and defending the most seats, the realistic predictions had Labour losing net seats in England as a result. Gaining ~50 seats and 5 councils is definitely a win but with more work to do.

Labour have rebuilt a foundation in Scotland, the predictions there were ridiculous with the SNP being totally misrepresented and they have utterly crushed the Tories in Wales.

Lib Dems and Greens have had a brilliant day taking the Tories to the cleaners in the South.

Now here's the actual story of the night, the one that for some reason has been totally downplayed, the Tories have been annihilated, -330 in England, -63 in Scotland and -67 in Wales. This is way beyond what was predicted and is a crushing rejection of Boris Johnson and the party.

Their only crumb of comfort is that Labour didn't make too many gains in some areas, but they were still trailing Labour in vote share.

This should end Boris Johnson, the media should be circling the wagons with wall to wall coverage of those Tory losses, but they're not. I wonder why that is?
 
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Lefty said:
I've lost count of the number of times I have stated that the treatment of Corbyn by those on the right was disgraceful. Have you some sort of filter in your brain?

What you suggest would be an honest assessment would have been an irrelevant detour.
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🤣 an irrelevant detour... But it was absolutely vital to drop in some bullsh*t that the old left are uniquely uncompromising? Please.
 
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