Labour Gain Wandsworth and may also win Westminster Council

[Redwurzel]

I wish I could afford to live in a LibDem area.

Very Interesting remark not quite true as Hull went Liberal, but I too picked up a trend of nice places particularly in the South East turning Liberal of late. They don't want house building cloes to theor property(s).

London is turning left partly because of the increase in frustrated well educated under 40s who are renting, living with older relatives etc. Many older people have moved out say to Dorset or Norfolk or, Cotswolds to release capital from London house sales.

Labour did not really make ground in the Red Wall areas, I feel they are not addressing the concerns of voters in those areas as well as they should be.

This was a local election so its wrong to project fully onto National politics, but certain trends are standing out for me.

 

[SmallTown]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522683601913057282

What the hell?
Just straight up lying there.

It's blatant, Pravda style journalism. Sadly some people fall for it. I even read someone on here repeat the media lies. It's a shame

 

[HolgateCorner]

Very Interesting remark not quite true as Hull went Liberal, but I too picked up a trend of nice places particularly in the South East turning Liberal of late. They don't want house building cloes to theor property(s).

London is turning left partly because of the increase in frustrated well educated under 40s who are renting, living with older relatives etc. Many older people have moved out say to Dorset or Norfolk or, Cotswolds to release capital from London house sales.

Labour did not really make ground in the Red Wall areas, I feel they are not addressing the concerns of voters in those areas as well as they should be.

This was a local election so its wrong to project fully onto National politics, but certain trends are standing out for me.

I think Red Wall voters who turned to the Tories in 2019 will give Johnson a reasonable chance to show he can make a difference, it takes most people a bit of time to change horses. Labour need solid working class policies to properly win the northern vote.

 

[Same_as_before]

No it's a dig. Obviously. And it's the opposite of honest. An honest assessment would be to point out that we've had documented evidence that even paid staff members on the right of the party spent years sabotaging, we've got quotes from Blair and Mandleson and recently Reeves saying they wanted left wing Labour to lose, and that there's simply been nothing comparable done bg the left in the last two years.



I think you're getting miles ahead of events here. I genuinely don't see where you get this confidence that Starmer will ever agree to PR. His raison detre is to defang the Labour party and make it safe for tory voters.



I'd be very happy indeed for PR to happen. Hopefully that way there'd be a non tory option on the ballot paper.

Tough to answer whether I want Labour to fail because you've imagined a policy the party doesn't have, an electoral pact the party isn't in, and the only concern you have is sabotage from the left of the party which no longer exists.

The real party that actually exists? Don't especially care either way how they get on.

The fantasy version of the party you describe? Good luck to them I guess.

Here is the result of the By election in Eddington Birmingham in March.

The left sent every big gun to the constituency for almost 2 months. Dave (God like ) Nellist was their chosen candidate. He received 360 votes, not even worth counting, it was an embarrassment. This was after every left leader knocked on every door. No one wants what you want, maybe if you all moved to one seat, you might save a deposit.

Starmer's Labour walked it.

Even Corbyn shut it.

Birmingham Erdington Parliamentary by-election | Birmingham City Council

Birmingham Erdington Parliamentary by-election - Erdington by-election results

www.birmingham.gov.uk

 

[Capybara]

I met Dave Nellist once. And on the same day went to a pub where Jim Holton was behind the bar. As you were.

 

[Anton_Berg]

Very Interesting remark not quite true as Hull went Liberal, but I too picked up a trend of nice places particularly in the South East turning Liberal of late. They don't want house building cloes to theor property(s).

London is turning left partly because of the increase in frustrated well educated under 40s who are renting, living with older relatives etc. Many older people have moved out say to Dorset or Norfolk or, Cotswolds to release capital from London house sales.

Labour did not really make ground in the Red Wall areas, I feel they are not addressing the concerns of voters in those areas as well as they should be.

This was a local election so its wrong to project fully onto National politics, but certain trends are standing out for me.

I agree with that based on my own observations and local activism.
I was thinking of Richmond (London), and Twickenham where the Mick Jaggers and David Attenborourghs live. The extra expense of a LibDem local authority does not bother them.

In Wandsworth, you have had a 20 year increase in owner-occupiers, who care about low council tax and primary schools , followed by a more recent exodus of these people as they reach 40. They have been replaced by a younger version of themselves but who this time can't get on the property ladder. They pay rent and live in HMOs, effectively pods, and consequently don't have much interest in local issues. This accounts for the Labour gains already seen in the last general election in 'affluent' SW London. The Tories will have to do more than just wait for Partygate to fade.

 

[SuperStu]

Here is the result of the By election in Eddington Birmingham in March.

The left sent every big gun to the constituency for almost 2 months. Dave (God like ) Nellist was their chosen candidate. He received 360 votes, not even worth counting, it was an embarrassment. This was after every left leader knocked on every door. No one wants what you want, maybe if you all moved to one seat, you might save a deposit.

Starmer's Labour walked it.

Even Corbyn shut it.

Birmingham Erdington Parliamentary by-election | Birmingham City Council

Birmingham Erdington Parliamentary by-election - Erdington by-election results

www.birmingham.gov.uk

More fan fiction.

 

[Same_as_before]

More fan fiction.

Where's the fiction? Did the counting officer throw Nellist's votes in the bin?

To make life simple for you as you seem to be struggling: Starmer's Labour 55%, Left (pro Tory) Nellist 2%. You probably know everyone of the 360 who voted for him.

360 X 650 seats is no seats in PR.

Were you unable to open the table? If not I can send it again.

It was the seat that you and the pro Tory left said was the seasmic change in UK voting.

Try being honest with yourself, no one wants you.

 

[SuperStu]

Try being honest with yourself, no one wants you.

Lovely lad.

No idea why you seem to think I have something to do with a byelection in Birmingham?

Where's the fiction?

The left sent every big gun to the constituency for almost 2 months.

Dave (God like ) Nellist

You probably know everyone of the 360 who voted for him.

It was the seat that you and the pro Tory left said was the seasmic change in UK voting.

There you go. Plenty of examples. All complete nonsense.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

I agree with that based on my own observations and local activism.
I was thinking of Richmond (London), and Twickenham where the Mick Jaggers and David Attenborourghs live. The extra expense of a LibDem local authority does not bother them.

In Wandsworth, you have had a 20 year increase in owner-occupiers, who care about low council tax and primary schools , followed by a more recent exodus of these people as they reach 40. They have been replaced by a younger version of themselves but who this time can't get on the property ladder. They pay rent and live in HMOs, effectively pods, and consequently don't have much interest in local issues. This accounts for the Labour gains already seen in the last general election in 'affluent' SW London. The Tories will have to do more than just wait for Partygate to fade.

This is spot on. I work in Twickenham and am looking to move over that way.

The Wandsworth Council tax thing always amuses me. It is low but under the Tories its still gone up by about 16% in the last 4 years or so.

 

[Same_as_before]

Lovely lad.

No idea why you seem to think I have something to do with a byelection in Birmingham?







There you go. Plenty of examples. All complete nonsense.

Are you arguing with the result? My life is a lot easier than yours, if you vote against or abstain against Labour in a seat they can win you are a Tory in sheep's clothing. To be clear I would vote Lib Dem if I thought it would beat the Tories.

 

[Redwurzel]

I think Red Wall voters who turned to the Tories in 2019 will give Johnson a reasonable chance to show he can make a difference, it takes most people a bit of time to change horses. Labour need solid working class policies to properly win the northern vote.

I would add there was a lot of changing of horses in 2017 too - Middlesbrough SE/East Cleveland used to be Labour for many years but changed after the EU referendum, closure of a lot of industry on Teesside.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

I would add there was a lot of changing of horses in 2017 too - Middlesbrough SE/East Cleveland used to be Labour for many years but changed after the EU referendum, closure of a lot of industry on Teesside.

That particular area has been back and forth quite a bit, we've had Bates from the Tories, Kumar for Labour and top giant, cheater Clarke there now.

 

[Redwurzel]

I do visit London quite a few times a year and its clear the population is much younger that non-metro areas of the UK and it affects the way people vote. Some is more likely to vote left wing if they are renting a flat for £1500/month than someone owning an house outright or with small mortgage. The jobs market too where in London there are quite a few more jobs than people, while getting a permanent secure full time job is still an issue on Teesside (above the Living wage).

Middlesbrough SE/East Cleveland was a Labour seat from 1997 to 2017 that a lot of years to me. Its really a working class area overall and should be a Labour seat based on social and income profile. If Labour don't become more interested in its people they will never be in power.

 

[Same_as_before]

That particular area has been back and forth quite a bit, we've had Bates from the Tories, Kumar for Labour and top giant, cheater Clarke there now.

I will never get that. WTF, Bates I met he was not as horrible as I expected him to be, but a Tory, Kumar was often in various local supermarkets at a desk answering questions. I don't and don't want to know the new bloke.

 

[Same_as_before]

Superstu, is your normal response when out to put up a teenage emoji? I understand that's how it is spelt, when given facts? I want to know where you electorate is, is 2% a good result, why you cannot vote Labour and by default assist Johnson, simple stuff.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

Superstu, is your normal response when out to put up a teenage emoji? I understand that's how it is spelt, when given facts? I want to know where you electorate is, is 2% a good result, why you cannot vote Labour and by default assist Johnson, simple stuff.

I dont normally agree with Stu, probably because he's ideologically driven more than me, and I don't here but the lack of nuance all over is silly. You don't really think that Nellist is pro-Tory.

You might as well say that every other non Labour candidates was pro-Tory. Including your own choice who apparently got 49 votes.

 

[Same_as_before]

Ok I don't, however I do think that taking votes away from labour is helping the Tories.

Saying that I doubt 360 votes will change anything in a national election.

I see one local council was decided on a toss of the coin, I think, but could be wrong, it stopped a Labour overall gain.

Good grief 'if' again.

 

[Same_as_before]

I am useless at anything techie, any idea why when I sometimes post a response I get 2 postings? I keep having to delete the second.

 

[SuperStu]

Superstu, is your normal response when out to put up a teenage emoji? I understand that's how it is spelt, when given facts? I want to know where you electorate is, is 2% a good result, why you cannot vote Labour and by default assist Johnson, simple stuff.

Same As, what would be the point in me responding to you? Your posts are utter drivel.

You're asking me to explain TUSCs voting performance in Birmingham in March. It's a party I'm not involved in, in an area I don't live. Why would I have any motivation to say anything about it.

You've mentioned facts so lets clear a few up.

It was the seat that you and the pro Tory left said was the seasmic change in UK voting.

You've claimed I said something here. Can you back it up?