Labour Gain Wandsworth and may also win Westminster Council

Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I saw Kuensberg on BBC breakfast this morning, obviously still with a gob full of Johnson's Johnson; she was doing her best to frame it as nobody winning but the lib dems. If I was one of the hosts I'd question her as is she was a Tory spokesperson because well.

She is.
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It’s such horse **** isn’t it.

Just look at the results and factually report on it like, I dunno, a journalist.
 
Watching Sky News and BBC its nauseating that the political journalists are pretty much all trying to spin this as not a good outcome for Labour and that they're really the losers.

Tories were at a record low in these seats in 2018. They're now falling massively below even that. Equally it was a high for Labour and theure currently getting councils and plenty of seats.

Absolute spin from supposedly impartial news sources.
 
These days are always full of people taking whatever results they see and matching them to meet their own pre-determined conclusions.

I've seen statements like 'Labour won in Mayfair, but lost in Hull, which shows us where we are'. As in - Labour continues to take its eye off the ball in 'working class' areas. I would argue people are ignoring accelarating shifts in demographics and the expectations of the individual.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
These days are always full of people taking whatever results they see and matching them to meet their own pre-determined conclusions.

I've seen statements like 'Labour won in Mayfair, but lost in Hull, which shows us where we are'. As in - Labour continues to take its eye off the ball in 'working class' areas. I would argue people are ignoring accelarating shifts in demographics and the expectations of the individual.
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Hull is the good one, Labour lost 2 (just 2) seats to the Lib Dems who took their 3rd seat from the last Tory in the Council to gain overall control.

The council is now 29 LD 27 Lab and 1 Indy. This has been spun as a disaster for Labour and "proof" they are not making gains to win a GE.

It's not ideal and great for the Lib Dems, but is completely irrelevant as a comparison to a GE.
 
For those like myself, wanting a progressive alliance resulting in significant electoral reform and PR, these results look ideal.

Starmer will know the surest way of getting the Tories out is an alliance. He faces internal opposition from the old guard, particularly on the Left, who believe their way is the only way to organise society and govern. Compromise doesn't come easily to them.

If it looks too much like Labour could win an decent overall majority, they will dig in and risk that they can win anyway. Under FPTP and with the boundary changes, I don't think they can. Local elections are not to be relied on, but some foolhardy Labour wishful thinkers will.

The best thing, the safest option, is to make the alliance. In return for PR, which is fairer anyway, it should be possible for the Lib-Dems, Greens and maybe some nationalist parties to agree on some left leaning measures and reforms.

At the same time this would ensure we can't again have a situation we have now. Right now we have a Party whose funding is opaque and open to compromise and corruption to wealthy foreign actors who don't even pay tax in this country. Whose membership is largely made up of one narrow demographic of the population and has such a small membership that a relatively small number of ukippers with quite extreme social views can impose it's will on the selection and deselection of MP's, which it has formed into an influential kingmaking Party within the Party. It is able to form an unassailable majority in Parliament so that it cannot be held to account and has the shamelessness and lack of respect to ignore the rules and conventions which are, it turns out, the only things holding our most important democratic institution together.
 
The tories have now surrendered 273 councillors and its beginning to look like it may be a disaster for the tories.

You know when you watch a route in football and you start to feel sorry for the loosing team? Well this is nothing like that 😁
 
Lefty said:
He faces internal opposition from the old guard, particularly on the Left, who believe their way is the only way to organise society and govern. Compromise doesn't come easily to them.
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Oh look, Leftys getting a dig in at the socialists. What a surprise. I never saw that coming. :rolleyes:
 
Chris_Boro said:
Tories near -300 seats in England...

...but Labour...

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It's generally been a very decent election for Labour, more work needs done but definitely going right direction.

Been an absolute disaster for the Tories and if I was a betting man I'd think there'll be a flurry of letters landing on Graham Brady's doormat. Tories love power and they forgave Johnsons huge flaws and questionable nature because he was popular. He's now proven that he's lost that and the electorate can see through it, he is toast.
 
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