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BJS seemed to bend into that punch, a freak punch in a way.

Yeah although that was good work from Canelo, he read that BJS kept dipping the same way every time. Actually a pretty basic mistake for somebody who has the boxing intelligence of Saunders.

I still think Canelo v Saunders would have been a really competitive fight around 2017-2018. The middle rounds where Saunders was having success would’ve been pretty similar to how a full fight might of gone a few years ago.

Since then BJS has been inactive and lacked high level fights, where as Canelo has been consistent and active.

BJS is/was a real talent that could’ve done a lot more in the game and has some big wins if he had the application to do it. He’s a gifted boxer that is not really in love with boxing.
 
Yeah although that was good work from Canelo, he read that BJS kept dipping the same way every time. Actually a pretty basic mistake for somebody who has the boxing intelligence of Saunders.

I still think Canelo v Saunders would have been a really competitive fight around 2017-2018. The middle rounds where Saunders was having success would’ve been pretty similar to how a full fight might of gone a few years ago.

Since then BJS has been inactive and lacked high level fights, where as Canelo has been consistent and active.

BJS is/was a real talent that could’ve done a lot more in the game and has some big wins if he had the application to do it. He’s a gifted boxer that is not really in love with boxing.
Watching an interview with him now, he said Canelo worked him into that punch, gave him some early concessions to set him up later. He said he was working 5/6 punches ahead like a snooker player thinking shots ahead, I don’t think he has the desire anymore from what he’s saying.
 
Fury is a funny one - he's never defended a world title and when you actually look at it, he's hardly fought anyone. He beat an aging Klitschko and Wilder twice, he's fighting Wilder for a third time soon. In coming up the last six years, Fury has fought Wilder and a bunch of fighters that nobody had heard of. In one of those fights, it is generally accepted that Otto Wallin should have won because the cut Fury sustained was such that the fight should have been stopped. Many also believe that earlier in Fury's career, he was clearly beaten by the domestic level fighter John McDermott but was given a favourable decision.

Joshua is another one who's résumé is suspect. He's never fought a proper champion and tends to get in the ring with fighters who are regarded to be of little threat. Despite this, he still managed to get badly knocked out. Many also say he was given a favourable decision to gain Olympic gold. The general consensus is that he lost.

Usyk is a different ball game to both AJ and Fury. He cleaned out a stacked Cruiserweight division in no time at all. He went up against the best in their backyards and beat them all easily. Some say Bredis gave him a good fight, of course it was a proper contest as Bredis is top class. But Usyk beat him fairly comfortably.

It's hard to work out why Joshua is such a strong favourite to beat Usyk. Obviously there's going to be strong favourable treatment for the home fighter, but Usyk might take this out of the hands of the judges. The extra weight is good for Usyk as it will help him in this contest.
Well done sir
 
OMG who said that?
AJ wouldn't have made a back page in the Ali Frazier Holmes Spink era.
Exactly, there’s so many heavyweights who fought in golden eras that even if he beat Usyk, Fury and Wilder I don’t think it’s enough to surpass fighters who went toe to toe with all time greats.
 
Did you see the video of Hearn I line losing it with a fan?

The fan was a knob though

Imagine going to a fight and then making snide comments to the fighter and promoter when they pass, probability just because they lost. The fan probably went as a Joshua fan too. Fickle.

That’s why I don’t really attend many boxing events even though it’s one of the things I love most in life. It often attracts a lot of coked up idiots, especially the big events.
 
Moving forward, Joshua should target Fury next. He has a much better chance against Fury rather than taking a rematch with Usyk. The mental pressure won't be as intense and he'll have much more opportunity to let his hands go. Usyk's footwork, movement, speed, coordination and punch variation is on a different level to Fury. But Fury is a great mover for his massive size which gives him major advantages over most of the really big guys. Not so much the smaller guys. Especially a likely all time great like Usyk.

I'm certain Fury is not as good as most people think he is. Just as I was certain that he was better than most people thought he was before he beat Klitschko. I don't think Fury is capable of dominating the heavyweight division. He's a fighter who can perform extremely well for select fights and opponents. If he started having regular fights against the best in the division, he'd get beat.

Well done on the analysis HiredGun. Pretty much called it spot on.
 
Out of curiosity, why don’t you like him?

I know there is quite a lot of people who don’t like him but I genuinely don’t know why.

Yeah, I never understood it

He’s just like any promoter, a bit of a salesman but it’s the job. The clue is in the job title.

His shows are becoming worse in terms of dodgy scorecards for home fighters but that’s more of a boxing problem, not exclusive to Hearn

Seems to be really straight as a promoter though when it comes to relationships with fighters though, There is not one single story about him robbing fighters of money or anything like that, which is almost unheard of in boxing. Frank Warren must have his own parking space outside of the court with the amount of fighters that have filed lawsuits against him.
 
Out of curiosity, why don’t you like him?

I know there is quite a lot of people who don’t like him but I genuinely don’t know why.
I Couldn’t stand his dad either.

as it’s all about money to him that Saudi fight proved that no fans no legacy just pure cold hard cash.
 
HiredGun123 - Back to the boxing. Do you think Dillion Whyte has more of a chance against Usyk? Whyte would at least apply pressure and wouldn't be scared to throw shots.
 
HiredGun123 - Back to the boxing. Do you think Dillion Whyte has more of a chance against Usyk? Whyte would at least apply pressure and wouldn't be scared to throw shots.

I think Usyk would beat him

But I certainly think Whyte would roll the dice and go out swinging. He’s just the type that’s willing to try and make it into a dog fight if he has to.

Whyte is too vulnerable I think, and Usyk too accurate.
 
I think Usyk would beat him

But I certainly think Whyte would roll the dice and go out swinging. He’s just the type that’s willing to try and make it into a dog fight if he has to.

Whyte is too vulnerable I think, and Usyk too accurate.
You could see from Whyte's reaction last night that he was really frustrated that Joshua didn't have a go. Easy said when you're watching I suppose!
 
You could see from Whyte's reaction last night that he was really frustrated that Joshua didn't have a go. Easy said when you're watching I suppose!

Definitely. It’s easy to sit there and think fighters need to let their hands go, but it’s not easy if you’re being countered and being offset.

I think Whyte would still have a go. His mentality against Povetkin in the rematch showed his character, willing to let his hands go even though he got ironed out in the first fight. Fury the same, willing to walk down Wilder despite tasting the power in the first fight.

Compare that with how cautious and fragile AJ seems to look since the Ruiz fight, and actually even the Klitschko fight to a degree.

Also one big problem with Joshua is he can’t throw punches unless he can set himself, same with Wilder and Klitschko to a degree. Fighters like Fury and Usyk can throw while moving, It’s that kind of boxing coordination that you get from doing it since you’re very young. So part of what Fury did to Klitschko and Wilder is like what Usyk did to AJ, Simply never let them set and from there, they don’t feel comfortable to throw.
 
Definitely. It’s easy to sit there and think fighters need to let their hands go, but it’s not easy if you’re being countered and being offset.

I think Whyte would still have a go. His mentality against Povetkin in the rematch showed his character, willing to let his hands go even though he got ironed out in the first fight. Fury the same, willing to walk down Wilder despite tasting the power in the first fight.

Compare that with how cautious and fragile AJ seems to look since the Ruiz fight, and actually even the Klitschko fight to a degree.

Also one big problem with Joshua is he can’t throw punches unless he can set himself, same with Wilder and Klitschko to a degree. Fighters like Fury and Usyk can throw while moving, It’s that kind of boxing coordination that you get from doing it since you’re very young. So part of what Fury did to Klitschko and Wilder is like what Usyk did to AJ, Simply never let them set and from there, they don’t feel comfortable to throw.
The fragile AJ maybe even go back to the Whyte fight too. I remember him being really hurt and taking a few rounds to recover. That said, I'm a big Joshua fan and think he comes across as a really decent bloke, so don't take pleasure in his losses like many seem to. He's genuinely good for the sport and represents himself, family and country well.
 
What are people thoughts on what Joshua should do for the rematch / rest of his career?

For me I think he should go back to being an 18stone+ beast. I think he should stick to his strengths which are size and power.

He has no chance of outboxing Uysk or Fury so should go back to being the biggest and strongest and try to blast people out of there. Obviously it’s not guaranteed that he would succeed against the likes of Fury or Uysk doing that and he could easy lose (potentially more comprehensively due to fatigue from carrying all of the extra muscle) but I think it gives him a better chance of victory than being 17stone and trying to work off the jab with confidence he can go 12 rounds.

Slimming down was the right thing to do against Ruiz but in my opinion he then should have went back to his old ways.

No boxer can have it all but surely it’s best to stick to your strengths.
 
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