'Jonathan has my total support'

A management change at this stage is a massive gamble now and very costly

You pay compensation, you have to put someone in a short term contract with big bonuses to ensure motivation. It’s all very shortism and is costly without the guarantee of any success

Your hoping for a new manager bounce but if doesn’t come then you are done, and let’s be honest when did we have a manger bounce with some of the mainstays in this squad

Alternatively if you go long term you have to employ someone who is prepared to manage in league 1
 
GazC_MFC said:
A management change at this stage is a massive gamble now and very costly

You pay compensation, you have to put someone in a short term contract with big bonuses to ensure motivation. It’s all very shortism and is costly without the guarantee of any success

Your hoping for a new manager bounce but if doesn’t come then you are done, and let’s be honest when did we have a manger bounce with some of the mainstays in this squad

Alternatively if you go long term you have to employ someone who is prepared to manage in league 1
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Putting Craig Liddle in charge until the end of the season would be better than prolonging with Woodgate. At least we'd have a chance.
 
It interesting that he was so positive about Karanka - maybe I’m reading far too much into it, but perhaps he’s smoothing things over to try and bring him back at the end of the season?
 
WeeGord said:
It interesting that he was so positive about Karanka - maybe I’m reading far too much into it, but perhaps he’s smoothing things over to try and bring him back at the end of the season?
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yeah your reading to much into it I would suggest.
 
I have to admit, I feel deflated after reading that.

Although he is more or less saying for certain that he isn't going to be sacking Woodgate anytime soon, I'm clinging onto the hope that he might at least bring in an experienced head until the end of the season to help Woodgate, especially if the crowd turns tonight.

One thing seems certain though. Whether we're in League One or the Championship next season it's looking like Woodgate will be the manager :(
 
Gibson wasn't interviewed by the Gazette really. They just gave him a blank piece of paper and said right down all the quotes you want us to print. The Gazette is gutless.

Gibson recognises the mistakes of the last 10 years does? Well what's he doing about it, what's he going to do differently?

He should start by sacking who ever is responsible for the ***** players we keep on buying.
 
WeeGord said:
Probably just wishful thinking on my part to be honest.
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he’s basically admitting that’s the only managerial decision he has got right in that time and he has evidence to back that up as we got promoted under AK. That’s all I took from it.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Your hoping for a new manager bounce but if doesn’t come then you are done, and let’s be honest when did we have a manger bounce with some of the mainstays in this squad
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The difference is that this squad is clearly underperforming and by a significant amount. We have sacked managers in the past that have been challenging sogetting a bounce isn't easy. I don't think you could fail to improve the results no matter who you appointed. We are heading for relegation but we really shouldn't be.

There isn't a thing in that article that gives me any sort of reassurance that we will head in the right direction any time soon. I think we can all see that with Woodgate in charge the best we can hope for is not getting relegated and then replacing him in a season or two after failing to make any progress. Probably after wasting a load of money in the process so someone has to come and rescue us but with no financial backing. That's the best case. Most realistically at the moment it is looking like relegation and then failing to be promoted.

He also says we are a PL club with a PL infrastructure and that the PL changed while we were away from it. Why has he done nothing to address these changes instead of waiting until we are there again and not being ready again? Our club is still far too parochial. We only seem to appoint people (in every role) that already have links to the club. We do our best to prevent new fans from coming to games by pricing them out. Commercially we do nothing to attract new fans and Gibson seems hell bent on only having fans that live within walking distance. I've always been very pro-Gibson but it's getting to the point where his decisions seem to be wrong far more than they are right. He either needs to give control to an outsider, while remaining as owner and advisor or he needs to sell up and give someone else a go. I would much rather achieve success with Gibson but if he'd prefer to just let his mates have a go and see if we can do it on the cheap then it isn't going to happen.
 
uncle_rico said:
But I thought uncle Tony had sorted that mess out and left us in a good position going forward?

I’m sorry, but Gibson is full of shït here. He knows that if we get beat tonight the crowd will turn and he’s trying to head it off. Why talk now? And through the gazette who were banned from the stadium a couple of years ago for daring to criticise the club.
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These are my thoughts exactly Rico, the timing suits him rather than genuine to keep us in the loop.

Also the Gazette have just gave him a blank paper like the above said to say what he wants unchallenged. Vickers likes his cosy position too much it seems. It is laughable and I’ve lost massive respect for them as an organisation along with Radio Tees.

That said I felt flat when I read the full thing. It’s just Groundhog Day again coming when they are asking for renewal money telling you what you want to hear. Should we stay it up it will be lauded as a massive achievement and the fans will be subsequently conditioned to think floating around mid table is a success.
 
festa5 said:
The exact quote from Gibson on Pulis was:

"He has ensured that the club is stable and strong for the future. He leaves us in excellent condition."

But now Woodgate inherited a lot of problems apparently. You can't have it both ways. Either Pulis didn't do anywhere near as good a job as he and Gibson make out or Woodgate has made a complete pig's ear of it. Which is it Gibson?

Good that he's finally spoken I suppose, but he's either deluded or he thinks the fans are idiots. Maybe a bit of both.
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But now Woodgate inherited a lot of problems apparently. You can't have it both ways. Either Pulis didn't do anywhere near as good a job as he and Gibson make out or Woodgate has made a complete pig's ear of it. Which is it Gibson?

This.
 
He's said what we were all thinking about previous mistakes, and confirmed what we knew he would say about Woody. At least he's gone on record and outlined his intentions.

Now lets support the team and hope we can get out of this mess. (y):oops:
 
How do you motivate players to keep us up when you are publicly saying they will be out of contract and will free things up. In other words play your hearts out to keep us up but you won't have a job with us next year!!
 
GazC_MFC said:
He doesn’t actually say any of the appointments were mistakes, he says mistakes were made during their time.
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Rereading the article again that's the correct inference, rather than my original take of total condemnation. What the line does leave open though is further speculation about which side was actually at fault for the mistakes. But I suppose speculation is what its all about for supporters. Still rankles that Pulis has not been included in the list of previous regimes where mistakes were made.
 
Decent_Left said:
Still rankles that Pulis has not been included in the list of previous regimes where mistakes were made.
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Still people blame Pulis🤦🏻‍♂️

I said over and over and over again last season, he was not the problem. He was making an absolute shower of a squad competitive. We spend the overwhelming majority of the season in the promotion or play-off spots, and he got dogs abuse from our ridiculous fanbase.

“It can’t be any worse”, “We just want to see us have a go” was the cry, well our fans got the manager they deserved.

The recruitment hasn’t improved, because it wasn’t Pulis who was recruiting. Just as it wasn’t Monk or Karanka.

The football hasn’t improved, it’s got worse.

We’re in a worse position in every measure.

The person to blame 100% is Steve Gibson, the man is stubborn fool who just is out of touch with modern football and simply isn’t capable of overseeing a football club anymore.

League One will be what he deserves for a decade of incompetence and neglect.
 
Why don't all the moaners chip in and buy the club off Steve. You all seem to know how a club should be run including who you would have advising you, who you would appoint as manager, who we should buy, how much you would charge for tickets. It's just so simple, in fact it's that's simple every football club can apply the same principles and everyone becomes a success, it's so easy.

If only it was that simple, Steve Gibson is Mr Middlesbrough FC, no one before and I doubt no one again will ever do so much.(except maybe you with your season ticket contribution and some away games) He is a fan as much as anyone, he will be hurting as much as anyone and he has a lot, lot more to loose then everyone else.

I understand the frustration but it happens, whether we are in the prem or league one, life goes on, there are far more important things in life and always will be.

Of course question Gibson, but some of the criticism and attacks are just ridiculous.

Time to get real and pull together, football like most things is circular, we will be back and Steve is the man to take us there.

UTB
 
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