It’s not just about Black people being murdered

Jonny Ingbar said:
Its always difficult to make sense of the context when there is an edited piece of footage and this is no different.

Legally the police were entitled to ask for the documents they did, I'm not sure why you think they wouldn't be? The police officer actually tries to explain this it seems?

I'm guessing you've had a bad experience from some interaction with the police from your last comments?
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They can only stop a vehicle or ask for details after an accident. They can ask, but no one has to give a police officer details concerning their identity.

I've volunteered in night shelters and also volunteered in working with vulnerable teenagers. I have seen many unnecessary and sometimes unwarranted police actions.
 
bear66 said:
As I said, there was no articulated reason for them being questioned. I'm amazed at how poorly trained these police officers were.
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I’d be pretty certain the reason they were asked to produce their details was the first thing mentioned. Probably before the lady started recording.
 
It’s a fairly easy check but becomes complex. The cop can’t say that Dave from number 7 thinks you’ve been behaving suspicious because Dave wants to remain anonymous. They say they aren’t suspicious and their name is....... and they live at...... and they’re visiting their mother having driven their car there. No problem. Can we see your identification? That all checks out. Quick check of the car. Yup, that’s in their name and checks out. Thanks for your co operation, sorry for the inconvenience, have a nice day.
Dave gets a phone call to say ‘don’t worry mate. They’re legit’
 
A friend of mine tried to get police assistance last year, it wasn't forthcoming.

Within a short time a police car drove past the house where the assistance was required, did a U-turn and came back. Not to give him assistance but to question his son in law who was walking away from the house with his young daughter.

The son in law is from the BAME group, his daughter is white. Had his son in law been white the policeman would have driven straight past.
 
bear66 said:
I believe it is. I've just done a bit of googling and it seems to confirm it. They can stop a vehicle for any or no reason. In this instance, that doesn't appear to be the case.

If a police officer asks who you are, you legally don't have to answer. We don't live in a police state.
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but that only raises suspicion that your hiding something. We don’t live in a police state but we do police by consent. The public’s co operation is needed
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
It's quotes like this that show we are still so far away from where we need to be. I'm an average white male who has never been pulled over by the police either in my car or whilst out in the street and even though there may be a rational explanation as to why this couple have been stopped it happens far to often to people from a BAME background for there always to be a rationale explanation. The ones captured on videos are probably the tip of the iceberg, the silent majority unfortunately just accept that it is part of their life and just get on with it.
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Just because YOU haven't been pulled over .. doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other non-BAME people either. I have been pulled for no apparent reasons a few times as I imagine many other people have.

On the otherhand, I'd probably hazard a guess to say there are plenty of BAME people out there who, just like you, haven't been pulled over either. Using your logic we can say that no BAMEs are being pulled when we just focus on one BAME person who hasn't been pulled.

There are racist coppers out there .. of course there are .. just like there are racist people and general nobs in the wider society .. but we can't just look at isolated incidents like in the OP without any real context and start shouting "Look! Look!"
 
Handsome said:
I don't think video paints the full picture, the comments about jumping on the bandwagon were very wrong and they will rightfully be reprimanded for that. I have been pulled after parking my car because the car was registered to my dad but I had permission to drive it, it's normal to ask for the licence, I don't think they did this because they were black.
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Pinocchio at it again!
 
The amount of people on this thread making massive assumptions from an edited piece of footage that "somebody" has posted on Twitter (Twitter for christs sake) is frankly staggering .... and from an angle that suits their individual views .... and from both sides of the argument
 
bear66 said:
I believe it is. I've just done a bit of googling and it seems to confirm it. They can stop a vehicle for any or no reason. In this instance, that doesn't appear to be the case.

If a police officer asks who you are, you legally don't have to answer. We don't live in a police state.
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If they pull you over they'll run the number plate through the PNC. If you then refuse to give your name they can and probably will arrest you as they'll have grounds to suspect you don't own the vehicle or have a licence etc.

They will usually ask for ID to confirm your identity. If you don't have it and they don't believe you are who you say they'll also likely arrest you.
 
festa5 said:
If they pull you over they'll run the number plate through the PNC. If you then refuse to give your name they can and probably will arrest you as they'll have grounds to suspect you don't own the vehicle or have a licence etc.

They will usually ask for ID to confirm your identity. If you don't have it and they don't believe you are who you say they'll also likely arrest you.
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The second part of my answer was not with respect to being in control of a vehicle. It was, say, being stopped in the street or on your driveway. If you're stopped whilst in control of a vehicle, they do have the right to ask for information.
 
The truth is an ugly one...

People from the BAME community are far more likely to get pulled than a Caucasian without cause.
However we have no context in this video so the people may have been stopped for a valid reason not the colour of their skin (unlikely).
Finally the police officers do not handle the situation well but also are not able to explain their position as no communication is being allowed by either party.
 
bear66 said:
They can only stop a vehicle or ask for details after an accident. They can ask, but no one has to give a police officer details concerning their identity.

I've volunteered in night shelters and also volunteered in working with vulnerable teenagers. I have seen many unnecessary and sometimes unwarranted police actions.
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Maybe you have, but a little bit if knowledge is a dangerous thing (you're wrong on the legal bit)
 
Malaguena said:
The amount of people on this thread making massive assumptions from an edited piece of footage that "somebody" has posted on Twitter (Twitter for christs sake) is frankly staggering .... and from an angle that suits their individual views .... and from both sides of the argument
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Very true 👍
 
bear66 said:
They can only stop a vehicle or ask for details after an accident. They can ask, but no one has to give a police officer details concerning their identity.

I've volunteered in night shelters and also volunteered in working with vulnerable teenagers. I have seen many unnecessary and sometimes unwarranted police actions.
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I’m fairly sure that if you steal a car and drive away then the police can stop that car and ask for details. If police ask for the details as they suspect an offence, and you fail to provide them, then your getting arrested to confirm your identity
 
The police have a tough job, they need all the help they can get, not racist accusations from
bear66 said:
40 years of volunteering is more than a bit. But, where am I wrong on the legal bit?
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You are wrong if you refuse to provide identity you will just be arrested
 
Facefuzz said:
I’m fairly sure that if you steal a car and drive away then the police can stop that car and ask for details. If police ask for the details as they suspect an offence, and you fail to provide them, then your getting arrested to confirm your identity
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Totally agree. That's what I said. You can be stopped for any or no reason when driving a car.

From gov.uk

The police can stop a vehicle for any reason. If they ask you to stop, you should always pull over when it’s safe to do so. You’re breaking the law if you do not stop.

If you’re stopped, the police can ask to see your:

  • driving licence
  • insurance certificate
  • MOT certificate
 
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