Corcaigh_the_Cat
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The police can check whether the car has been reported stolen without approaching the driver. If they suspect a car has been stolen surely the first port of call would be the owner.
It’s not just about Black people being murdered
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The police can check whether the car has been reported stolen without approaching the driver. If they suspect a car has been stolen surely the first port of call would be the owner.
bear66
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From gov.uk
Stop and question: police powers
A police officer might stop you and ask:
- what your name is
- what you’re doing in the area
- where you’re going
And if the police suspect you have been driving but maybe parked and alighted the vehicle just before they got there then they would apply the same rules.
we’re going off topic regards the original point and I’d agree with what’s been said. It’s impossible to pass sound judgement based on a 2 minute clip which starts half way through the incident.
The road traffic act doesn’t specify race either. It applies to everybody.
Not at 2am when it’s registered to Basingstoke and driving around brambles farm.
Handsome
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Yes but they were under suspicion so no ID will result in arrest, they won't just let you walk away
Jonny Ingbar
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I think you've youre own question there?
The 'bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing comment wasn't directed towards youre volunteering work, I take my hat off to you for that, very commendable
bear, can I ask how you would have handled the situation differently? Let’s assume they have been directed to go there after a report of suspicious behaviour.
bear66
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I would have been clear about why I had stopped them. Someone said above that we didn't hear the start of the conversation. We didn't, but the mish mash of information thereafter suggests no good reason was given. My comments are nothing to do with why they stopped these people but how they did it. Very unprofessional that puts the police in a bad light.
Jonny Ingbar
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Come on, surely you don't believe that, you seem like an intelligent enough fella, but your prejudice towards the police keeps leaking out.
The police have an almost impossible job, never more so than now, everything they do is seemingly scrutinised - they need to have the negotiating skills of a diplomat and the courage of a soldier, often in very quick succession.
They don't always get it right, but then do any of us?
bear66
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Come on, surely you don't believe that, you seem like an intelligent enough fella, but your prejudice towards the police keeps leaking out.
The police have an almost impossible job, never more so than now, everything they do is seemingly scrutinised - they need to have the negotiating skills of a diplomat and the courage of a soldier, often in very quick succession.
They don't always get it right, but then do any of us?[/QUOTE]
Just my experience of seeing how they work in some circumstances.
I have been stopped once. As a student 48 years ago. I was told it was because my indicator wasn't working. It was. "What is in your boot?" I opened it and then looked into it afterwards that they couldn't ask me to do that. Not much changed since.
Once it turns into a t*t for tat with you being recorded Doing your job, knowing it’s probably going on line, after what’s happening in the last week then yeah I expect it becomes difficult. It’s so easy for us all to sit in the warmth with a cuppa, watch the video twice then pass judgement on what went right and wrong.
Jonny Ingbar
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Just my experience of seeing how they work in some circumstances.
I have been stopped once. As a student 48 years ago. I was told it was because my indicator wasn't working. It was. "What is in your boot?" I opened it and then looked into it afterwards that they couldn't ask me to do that. Not much changed since.[/QUOTE]
I think policing has changed beyond recognition in the last 50 years, nearly all for the better, with some exceptions (the introduction of elected Commissioners has unnecessarily politicised policing, for example).
Thats not to say there isn't room for improvement, but we have one of the best and fairest in the world.
1finny
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The old ‘you can’t be critical unless you have done it debate’
Which is daft by the way
Someone thought they were acting suspiciously and, it sounds like they reported that.
Q1 - what was their basis for suspicion
The police referenced ‘looking at them’ as a basis for suspicion.
Q2 - explain please
What does good look like?
‘Look we’ve had a report we have to investigate, really sorry......
Then a visit to the person who made the complaint - what made you think they looked suspicious
And, don;t stand there laughing at someone who is angry about being stopped for what they thought was a racist reason
If that is unfair criticism then you have low expectations of the police.
And, I have met some who I know are capable of doing a good job in these circumstances
Fluffycarpet
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My brothers army mate who is black used to come and stay with us when on leave. Twice he was pulled over and had his car searched. This was in Redcar. I don't know anyone who has been stopped and had whole car searched and I've lived here all my life. That showed me that there is definetley racial prejudice in the police.
the report will have no doubt been made by an anonymous neighbour. Once you knock on the door the anonymity has gone.
Police are duty bound to investigate once the report is made so it is the neighbour with racial bias and not the cop
We don’t know the level of service, training etc. One of the cops involved in the George Floyd incident was 3 days in. With 10 years experience you can do things differently.
the smiling/laughing is unprofessional. She looked extremely nervous and didn’t want to be on camera. If Johnny woodgate can come across badly on camera with his media training then it’s plausible for cops to do the same.
Heam44
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I don’t really understand most of what you have written however what we do know is the conversation clearly started before the recording.
I’d imagine the members of public were informed that they were being asked to produce details due to a report of acting suspiciously.
Also with regards to the police explaining what the particular suspicious behaviour was, the police may want to be vague about this as giving a detailed explanation on this may disclose who has called the police.
Ultimately the video isn’t much use as it doesn’t show the entire interaction.
Heam44
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So do you actually believe the police only requested their details due to the colour of their skin? Seriously?
HarryVegas
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Why not? Stats and the experience of thousands of BAME people prove it's an everyday occurrence.