I don’t need to map up, I’ve had first had experience from my Mrs who’s ward became a Covid ward fairly early on in all of this. I know the profiles of all your average Covid victims, almost exclusively 80 or above, they quite often are already gravely ill i.e. they have a terminal illness or other serious underlying health issues. They’re not healthy people who suddenly take gravely ill and die. Those are all FACTS - you either seem unable or unwilling to accept that for some reason. I suppose it’s understandable to an extend when the media have spent the last 18 months bombarding everyone 24/7 that this is some kind of apocalypse - it’s not. Anyway I’m done with this, there’s no point trying to reason with anyone who refuses to listen
I know of 6 people who died from covid.
5 from, not with.
1 with, not from. But she undoubtedly wouldn’t have died when she did, if she didn’t have covid.
Not one of them was over the age of 80.
Only 2 were 70 +
1 had significant comorbities, but they weren’t significant enough that he couldn’t hold down full time work.
3 had fairly minor comorbidities. But hey, does being diabetic or obese or asthmatic mean it’s ok to die 20, 30, 40 yrs ahead of your time?
I know 2 people who were in ICU because of covid.
Both were otherwise fit and healthy. They were in their early 60s.
One now walks with a zimmer frame but is just grateful for being here, having been in a medically induced coma and intubated for 6 weeks.
The other chap has been in and out of hospital for 3 months with various chest issues and pain.
I know 5 people who were hospitalised (not icu).
1 in their 60s.
2 in their mid 30s (one was fit and sporty, one was a chubster)
2 in their 40s.
I know 3 people in their 20s who were completely bed ridden for between 3 and 5 days. All fit, healthy, active younguns.
That said, I also know a family member in his 70s considered extremely vulnerable having battled cancer for a decade, who had covid and was completely asymptomatic.
My wife and several of our close family and best friends work frontline NHS and GP across 4 hospital sites of varying size and locations throughout the South, and they all have different stories of how their hospital/surgery was impacted.
It’s a simplistic and naive view to measure the impact of covid just by death.
That is all fact.
Which is completely at odds with your ‘fact’ that covid victims (for want of a better term) “almost exclusively 80 or above, they quite often are already gravely ill i.e. they have a terminal illness or other serious underlying health issues.”
It also completely ignores, and insults all those young frontline NHS staff who lost their lives trying to help those 80yr old plus patients survive. Many of them were young (30,40,50 yr olds) ‘healthy people who did suddenly take gravely ill and die.
Point is, people have had different experiences and just because YOU only know anecdotal tales of old, extremely ill people dying from covid, it doesn’t mean everybody else has had the same experience. There are many posters on here who will know more people who have lost their lives than I do, or who have struggled since with long covid and likewise, many who won’t.
But for you to even say that ‘almost exclusively 80…’ sentence above shows you’ve really not been doing the research into this that you think you have. But then again, your anti-vax stance also illustrates that.
I think there are many decent people out there, like yourself, who will look back in time at this pandemic abd think ‘man, I got that wrong, didn’t I? Those grifters played me well and truly’.
I know I certainly do, regarding when I thought the likes of Yeadon, Gupta and Heneghan should be taken seriously…
) into this particular debate today though. Have a good day mate. The sun is out 
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