India Covid Situation - Big Improvement

smogontherhine

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It seems that they have (happily) significantly reduced infection rates but I wonder whether anyone can help to explain this....
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... 43% drop with only 3% of the population fully vaccinated.
 

Randy

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Our government and most of the Western governments are lying to you.

They've rolled out HCQ and Ivermectin as anti viral treatments there and its cut the death rate.

Stop believing the BBC/MSM.

You are being lied to.
I've read that a WHO doctor is been sued over the the whole Ivermectin treatment and how she's downplayed it by lawyers based in India.
 

Andy_W

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If you stop counting, then the reported number of cases goes down, same as if they don't count all these extra dead people, with covid symptoms that they're burning. Not counting doesn't mean the cases and death are not there though, it's just wimping away from the problem.

Whether the real number of cases (or deaths) has gone down is a completely different story, they would have to have been accurately recording previous (they weren't), and also now (they're not), and by the sounds of it, they've done neither, not anywhere near. Seems like they massively underreported x10, and now are just underreporting x5.

From some of the reports in the cities (that actually have some healthcare, and testing), the numbers being put down as covid are like 10-20% of the excess amount of people dying, everyone knows this is horse$hit. In some places I've read it's as bad as 1 in 40!

The villages don't even have tests or any method of recording most likely, and isn't that like 2/3 of the population? Do we think those numbers are going on that covid total? Nope.

4k deaths peak per day, from 500m in cities, with an abundance of poverty, a lack of tests, lack of healthcare, lack of oxygen, and now lack of firewood. I just don't buy it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 20k per day from the cities and another 20k from the villages.

All I hope is that the truth of this comes out, with actual death tolls in poor countries, even if it won't help now it will help in the future hopefully.
 
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Evil

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If you stop counting, then the reported number of cases goes down, same as if they don't count all these extra dead people, with covid symptoms that they're burning.

Whether the real number of cases (or deaths) has gone down is a completely different story, they would have to have been accurately recording previous, and also now, and by the sounds of it, they've done neither, not anywhere near.

From some of the reports in the cities (that actually have some healthcare, and testing), the numbers being put down as covid are like 10-20% of the excess amount of people dying, everyone knows this is horse$hit.

The villages don't even have tests or any method of recording most likely, and isn't that like 2/3 of the population?

4k deaths peak per day, from 500m in cities, with an abundance of poverty, a lack of tests, lack of healthcare, lack of oxygen, and now lack of firewood. I just don't buy it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 20k per day from the cities and another 20k from the villages.

All I hope is that the truth of this comes out, with actual death tolls in poor countries, even if it won't help now it will help in the future hopefully.
Even to people who do follow the MSM like its real, surely its time now to see that this is a massive psyop on the population.
 

Andy_W

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Even to people who do follow the MSM like its real, surely its time now to see that this is a massive psyop on the population.
What do you mean?

"MSM" is largely real, it's just skewed to the right/ Torys in the UK, so the likelihood is our government will get largely backed, or Covid played down, to a degree. If something can be bent, it will be.

It's not just India under-fudging numbers though, most of the world are seemingly under-reporting Covid deaths, and the less developed/ more corrupt you go, the less accurate they're reporting. We've got a bloody dodgy government, but thankfully a good statistics/ reporting/ tracing mechanism that makes up for this, it's extremely difficult to fudge our numbers, as we collect masses of data, in various ways, and with different departments. We still "missed" 10-20k covid deaths from the first wave mind, largely through lack of testing and knowledge, but seem to have a better grip now. Hopefully, these get added to our figures one day.

Now that most countries are seeing that a lot have had a problem, some are starting to tweak figures to something more realistic. It's like an AA meeting, takes a while for the first guy to admit there's a problem, but once one has, the next will hopefully follow. The only way you can fix the problem is by admitting you have/ had one. There's a lot more that got it wrong, than got it right, largely because most underestimated it, this is one hell of a lesson.

The thing is for every covid case that hits a hospital bed, that's one bed not being taken up by some other guy that needs it, whether that impacts them now, or later, they should still be factored into the "result" of Covid. This is one thing that is greatly being missed from the numbers, along with long-term long-covid potential impact, albeit these certainly can't be accounted for yet.

And before anyone pipes up, no, denying covid, not testing, not locking down would not make things better in any way,
They don't get better economically, as it just makes the wave peak higher and then you get forced into measures, and they're less controlled, and then it's a larger slide to come down from.
It's also a fallacy if anyone thinks waiting lists would be less, had we just ignored covid, and not locked down etc.

Adding more covid only makes this worse.
Adding more infrastructure/ nurses/ doctors/ beds to cope with massive waves, and maintain "normal" healthcare is not possible.

Peru have admitted their Covid numbers are three times higher than what they reported, basically, they had to as they had no reason to explain why their excess deaths were 3 times higher than their covid figures.
 

smogontherhine

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Even to people who do follow the MSM like its real, surely its time now to see that this is a massive psyop on the population.
The fact that India approved the use of Ivermectin a month or so ago and that some states like Uttar Pradesh (85% reduction in 14 days) were actively pushing it to their adult population is purely coincidental and anyone that thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theorist.
It is clearly the lockdown, social distancing, mask wearing and vaccinations that are key.... that and the fact that poor Indians don't have to work to survive and can stay at home on a furlough scheme.
 

Evil

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Friends working in India are telling a very different story to what you see in the media - quelle surprise.

Nobody is dying in cars.

The images they are using are from explosions 18 months ago in the media.

You are being lied to.

I've spent the last year and a bit researching.

When the American election audit is done, you'll start to see what this is all really about.
 

Andy_W

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Friends working in India are telling a very different story to what you see in the media - quelle surprise.

Nobody is dying in cars.

The images they are using are from explosions 18 months ago in the media.

You are being lied to.

I've spent the last year and a bit researching.

When the American election audit is done, you'll start to see what this is all really about.
You're not thinking straight, you should go and speak to someone, really.

What research?
Why would you have "researched" something for a year, when it only started kicking off there a month or two ago, which was about 4 months after Modi was bragging about them being the worlds savour for vaccines etc.
Or do you mean you've "researched" the entire pandemic? You've not btw.
It's not made up, or a big lie, literally millions of people would have to be "in on it", and that would include the vast majority of doctors and nurses, are they all liars? No.

There are countless people sharing info form India, out which paints a much worse picture.
Why do you think the Indian government is trying to stop info from getting out? Because it's better or worse than they report?
Why are they holding onto (and using) vaccines, not exporting them (the worlds biggest vaccine exporter don't forget).
Our cases rocketed, after India rocketed, the same sequence, are we "in on it" too, with India?
We know it's faster spreading. We know India has worse controls
We know India has more slums
We know India has worse healthcare
Is Bolton "In on it"?
What is it really all about? :rolleyes:
 
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