Incident in Southport
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Alzi
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I don’t want to detail this thread but there’s little evidence it is a deterrent, it costs more money and then you also run the risk of executing the wrongly convicted.
Not to mention arguably being caged away for the rest of your life is more of a punishment.
boringblock_21
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I’m not certain this is the thread for this debate so I won’t follow up if there is any controversy here, but…
I am intrigued to know in what way do you think capital punishment is the answer?
As far as I am aware, no data exists to support its use as a deterrent and there is always the possibility for error. I can also think of other philosophical reasons to oppose the death penalty.
Defender 4x4
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Executing the wrong person, cost more than a full life term. Like to see your maths.
You'd like less legal protections than the US? Where the death penalty is more expensive
Muttley
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Executing the RIGHT person costs more than a full life term. The data is out there.
Defender 4x4
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Not to mention arguably being caged away for the rest of your life is more of a punishment. Don't talk $hite
italianjob
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Maybe it's not about being a deterrent. It's just the punishment for murder, and you know what to expect if you murder children.
Forget the 'wrongly' convicted argument. If it was witnessed by loads of people/caught on camera etc.. then crack on with it I say.
I'd rather my taxes went on a bit of rope and a coffin rather than a pampered life in jail for god knows how long.
boringblock_21
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So Defender, I would suggest it might be more productive if you say why you think capital punishment is the answer here.
boringblock_21
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I’d argue this line of “reasoning” supports a model of revenge not justice.
For example, what if we can learn from the offender information that would be valuable in preventing future crimes? Would you still support the death of the offender?
Defender 4x4
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Why should the state keep a convicted and 100% proven guilty person in jail for a full life sentence at tax payers money. Our jails are full to over flowing. You do the crime and for murder the the death sentence is the result.
Andrew Malkinson was 100% proven guilty
Given how emotive this is. Could I ask people to at least refrain from playing the man, instead of the ball. The villain of the piece is not a poster on this board whose opinions you disagree with, but someone who has stabbed children and killed them.
italianjob
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I'm not meaning it as revenge. I'd like to think it would contribute to being a deterrent. Criminals seem to literally get away with murder.
I'm dying to see what we learn from this one.
Mine is just one of many opinions. I wouldn't normally comment but this event was horrific.
I get that you want to do something but the US has that deterrent yet they have a murder rate 6 times higher
Defender 4x4
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And probably a 6 times population.
HarryVegas
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Terrible incident. I don't think it shows anyone who is using it to demand the return of the death penalty in a good light.
RIP to the victims.
RIP to the victims.
boringblock_21
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In terms of “learning” I wasn’t necessarily referring to this incident as we do not know anything about the offender yet. But I suppose you could imagine a scenario where a group of young men plan attacks over a period of say a year, and information gained from the attacker could prevent those attacks. Or you could learn about some signs of social isolation that leads to bursts of violent aggression in certain people.
But anyway, I think Borolad is correct to hint this might be the wrong thread for such a debate. I certainly disagree with your position ItalianJob, but absolutely agree with you on the last part of your comments.
It's per capita......
boringblock_21
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Rate takes that into account