Hackney

I don't think I realised just how good he was until I watched this video.


He has that rare combination of being a defensive midfielder and playmaker. He also has pace and can beat players. Pretty much the ideal midfielder. He makes so many defence splitting passes. Quite apart from the vision to make those passes and the accuracy, its the weight of the pass that is so special. The ball arrives at the players' feet at just the right pace.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Disagree.

He couldn't be better placed than with Carrick to improve as a midfielder.
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50/50. I get your point. But playing prem football every week surrounded by better players will also help him improve. Plus that’s more likely to convince the big clubs that he’s ready for a starting place with them.

Also got to think about international call ups. Very rare from the championship.
 
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MidlandsBoroFan said:
50/50. I get your point. But playing prem football every week surrounded by better players will also help him improve. Plus that’s more likely to convince the big clubs that he’s ready for a starting place with them.

Also got to think about international call ups. Very rare from the championship.
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But what happens if he's not playing regularly, similar to Philips at Man City? Training with better players isn't going to improve him.
 
h_m_boro said:
But what happens if he's not playing regularly, similar to Philips at Man City? Training with better players isn't going to improve him.
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That's about picking the right club isn't it. Not going somewhere there is 5 or 6 world class CMs in front of him.

If he's at the right club and he's good enough, he'll play. I agree with Midland though, the only way to improve to PL standard is to play PL standard. He'd be playing woth better players day in and day out if he went to a decent PL club.
 
UTB70 said:
Thought gibbo would never do any business with liverpool after their shenanigans with ziege?
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Given that no one in a position of authority during the Zeige saga is at Liverpool now, this would be an extremely childish approach to take, and one that could be detrimental to Boro. They've changed ownership twice since then, and managerial staff lord knows how many times.

Why deny yourself the option of accepting the best offer because of some grudge against a badge, or a team name?

SG wouldn't be that foolish. In fact he sold them Brad Jones after only 1 ownership change, though It is possible he considered that revenge
 
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iamborome said:
I don't think I realised just how good he was until I watched this video.


He has that rare combination of being a defensive midfielder and playmaker. He also has pace and can beat players. Pretty much the ideal midfielder. He makes so many defence splitting passes. Quite apart from the vision to make those passes and the accuracy, its the weight of the pass that is so special. The ball arrives at the players' feet at just the right pace.
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Which reminds me a lot of Carrick in his playing days.
 
iamborome said:
I don't think I realised just how good he was until I watched this video.


He has that rare combination of being a defensive midfielder and playmaker. He also has pace and can beat players. Pretty much the ideal midfielder. He makes so many defence splitting passes. Quite apart from the vision to make those passes and the accuracy, its the weight of the pass that is so special. The ball arrives at the players' feet at just the right pace.
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Hackney is the best player on the pitch in at least half the games he plays in. When your that good. It starts to get taken for granted and people stop mentioning. He's outstanding at this level and needs to be playing higher.

He's got it all.
 
h_m_boro said:
But what happens if he's not playing regularly, similar to Philips at Man City? Training with better players isn't going to improve him.
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B_G summed it up. Needs to pick his club. Shouldn’t go near Man City (just like Phillips shouldn’t have).

But if he signs for say Liverpool then goes on loan to a West Ham / Palace type of club where he will get plenty of starts, he will improve massively and may be pushing for the Liverpool 1st team in another year.
 
Spurs are after Connor Gallagher… price quoted is £50m.

Hackney must be worth half that (and I actually think would be a better signing)
 
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he stays another season.

He has got a lot of talent but Carrick is exactly the right manager to develop that talent.

He does not need to play against prem sides to improve at the moment, unless we think Carrick has nothing to teach him?
 
20 mill now

plus 10 mill if he makes 100 prem appearances or is resold for a profit

plus a further 10 mill when he gets a full cap for England

easy this
 
Laughing said:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he stays another season.

He has got a lot of talent but Carrick is exactly the right manager to develop that talent.

He does not need to play against prem sides to improve at the moment, unless we think Carrick has nothing to teach him?
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It doesn't matter how good the manager is, he can't replicate playing higher level football. Everything happens that bit quicker in the PL. The players are that little bit better and the only way to improve to that standard is to play at the standard.

Apart from that, he should be busting his gut to get into that senior England team. We talk about it all the time on fmttm about how there is opportunity at CM. There's no obvious choice to partner Rice. Unfortunately he's got no chance while he's playing Championship football. He needs to be playing PL football to put himself in the frame.

I love watching Hackney at the Boro. I really do. Incredible player. But if I'm his dad, agent or friend, I'd be saying take your opportunity when it comes because it might never happen again.
 
Get a transfer to a top six club after 1 good season. Djed Spence.
Get a transfer to one of the other premier league clubs after establishing yourself in a number of seasons in the championship. Tav.

Which one of the two was the sensible decision?
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Get a transfer to a top six club after 1 good season. Djed Spence.
Get a transfer to one of the other premier league clubs after establishing yourself in a number of seasons in the championship. Tav.

Which one of the two was the sensible decision?
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Firstly Hackney and Spence are miles apart in ability and attitude

Secondly, this is already Hackney's second good season.

Thirdly, you could argue Tav only really had one good season in the championship. He really broke through under Wilder. He'd been pretty underwhelming up to that point
 
B_G said:
Firstly Hackney and Spence are miles apart in ability and attitude

Secondly, this is already Hackney's second good season.

Thirdly, you could argue Tav only really had one good season in the championship. He really broke through under Wilder. He'd been pretty underwhelming up to that point
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Firstly yes.
Secondly. Not really. He only came into the team a third of the way through.
Thirdly. Tav was excellent for us for years. People just say he was only good for one season because they'd look foolish saying he was ***** while he's ripping it up in the premier league.

Big clubs just want to stockpile English players to make up quotas.

 
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