Get out of this Johnson

Chris_Boro said:
Your primary source of information as to whether the entire population of this country obeyed the guidelines are your eyes? Who are you, Sauron??
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I put on another post yesterday some stats about Malaysia - it’s obviously difficult to make comparisons across countries but essentially they have an approx population of 34 million and about 4000 covid cases per day. The UK’s vaccine roll out is on a par if not ahead of theirs.

therefore if the vast majority of our population are following the rules - why do we have such a disparity in covid cases?
 
American_Mary said:
They could have had food delivered and sat apart at their desks to eat, many of us working through the pandemic had to do similar things but none of us had spouses in attendance or took the opportunity to have a few glasses of wine, not even Raab is defending it as work break but an extension of the normal working day, as much as you want to dress it up as something irrelevant and innocent, it’s at the heart of the pandemic when examples should be set by leaders, even if as you maintain there’s reasonable reasons for it, the fact that there is wine and his wife makes it totally misjudged at the very very best.
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I would counter that and say that outside is probably better than inside. It’s a rather unique situation where the home is also the work place. There seem to be generally three groups of people socially distanced. Could they done better - probably but seriously I would give this indiscretion about a two out of ten compared to the Christmas parties they held!
 
FatCat said:
Top bantz I wondered when you would be along to join your other mates who are in the imaginary clique that doesn’t exist :)
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I've already commented on this thread a number of times - before you joined it, in fact.

Have a vodka tonic, a lie down and stop being paranoid.

The sole reason you're getting a lot of replies that aren't to your liking is your appalling take on this, nowt else Tommy Tin Foil.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
I've already commented on this thread a number of times - before you joined it, in fact.

Have a vodka tonic, a lie down and stop being paranoid.

The sole reason you're getting a lot of replies that aren't to your liking is your appalling take on this, nowt else Tommy Tin Foil.
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Or I dare to not follow the crowd - you should try it!
 
FatCat said:
I put on another post yesterday some stats about Malaysia - it’s obviously difficult to make comparisons across countries but essentially they have an approx population of 34 million and about 4000 covid cases per day. The UK’s vaccine roll out is on a par if not ahead of theirs.

therefore if the vast majority of our population are following the rules - why do we have such a disparity in covid cases?
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What on earth does this have to do with the restrictions in May 2020?

You're using anecdotal evidence to justify Boris Johnson and his team having a social gathering with cheese boards replacing laptops and wine glasses replacing mobile phones.

What they've done is wrong, against the rules and throws it in the face of people who suffered unbelievable heartache while they were doing it.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I find it offensive that someone could be as deliberately obtuse and provocative as this and be so resolute on defending the indefensible.
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My wordy, if you really find offense from an anonymous persons post on a low grade football message board, I sincerely suggest you take a break from these types of places!
 
Adi_Dem said:
A very similar tale. I watched the funeral of one of the best people I have known on a screen. It was magnitudes worse for his wife and two kids.
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The personal stories get lost in these conversations. I would assume you were as angry as I was when lockdown was shown to be ignored by our government. I know my friends wife feels utterly betrayed.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I feel sorry for you. These lying, sociopathic charlatans are openly laughing at you. Their contempt for you is palpable. Yet here you are tugging your forelock. There is no context that makes this lawful. I missed a funeral and couldn’t give my Mum a hug. These people simply ignored all of the rules because they don’t think they apply to them. And here you are tugging your forelock.

Look how far you’re prepared to go here. You’re prepared to apply any scenario to this photo you can think of to justify it and you’re throwing in the notion that the population didn’t follow the rules in for good measure. Shame on you.
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you say it’s not lawful the bbc says:
The law at the time did not mention socialising with colleagues.
There was also government advice that you should stay at least two metres away from anyone who wasn't part of your household, but that was not a legal requirement.
 
Yeah I’m signing off from this thread.
FatCat said:
Or I dare to not follow the crowd - you should try it!
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But you are following the crowd. It just so happens that the crowd you’re following are a bunch of millionaire sociopaths openly laughing at you.


Laughing said:
The personal stories get lost in these conversations. I would assume you were as angry as I was when lockdown was shown to be ignored by our government. I know my friends wife feels utterly betrayed.
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Absolutely. That anger persists as I’m sure is evident on this thread. I have other friends who saw dying relatives through a window, not getting to touch them before they died despite them begging to come in. Heartbreaking.
 
Laughing said:
The personal stories get lost in these conversations. I would assume you were as angry as I was when lockdown was shown to be ignored by our government. I know my friends wife feels utterly betrayed.
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I’m sorry laughing but I will mention again how last Christmas you were on this very board saying despite regulations you were having some sort of a gathering with your father in law.
(More lately you said that it didn’t happen in the end.)
I’m therefore finding it difficult to reconcile your comments about getting annoyed about people ignoring lockdown when you posted on this very board that you were going to do exactly that?
 
American_Mary said:
Sorry for your loss, TH, I'm not surprised at your anger at those at the cemetery that took no heed of guidelines but I am surprised at your defence of another group who clearly appear to be ignoring restrictions in place at the time. Work from home where it is possible , minimalise all personal contact, do not mix with other households, etc etc

Drinking bottles of wine is not something you would normally do at work as a normal civil servant or member of a government team, but lets park that particular elephant into a dark corner of the room, can you tell me what work tasks that are being undertaken in that picture, where the social distancing is taking place especially around the table on the garden and what actions are taking place that could not have been done remotely from behind a computer screen from home, as was the advice at the time ?
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Eating pizza to help sort out a special trade deal with Italy init, wine for France and cheddar cheese exports from us to balance the trade with our EU chums.
 
FatCat said:
I’m sorry laughing but I will mention again how last Christmas you were on this very board saying despite regulations you were having some sort of a gathering with your father in law.
(More lately you said that it didn’t happen in the end.)
I’m therefore finding it difficult to reconcile your comments about getting annoyed about people ignoring lockdown when you posted on this very board that you were going to do exactly that?
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This is the second time I've said this to you on this message board, you seem to use the behaviour of some rule breaking members of the public as a defence for the prime minister.

Just because some people from Middlesbrough broke the rules it doesn't make the behaviour of Johnson, Cummings and other rule breaking MPs acceptable.

This isn't a race to the bottom, I hold the PM of this country to the highest standards of behaviour especially when he's setting the rules.

You are clearly a staunch Conservative which is fine with me, but sometimes you've got to call a spade a spade. A prime minister breaking the rules is simply unacceptable. If you admitted that you'd be taken a lot more seriously on here.
 
FatCat said:
you say it’s not lawful the bbc says:
The law at the time did not mention socialising with colleagues.
There was also government advice that you should stay at least two metres away from anyone who wasn't part of your household, but that was not a legal requirement.
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I suggest you read the article properly. Here’s the link you copied and pasted from:

www.bbc.co.uk

Downing Street parties: What Covid rules were broken?

Police issued 126 fines during the Partygate investigation, including to Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak.
www.bbc.co.uk

Where it says ‘The law at the time did not mention socialising with colleagues.’, that means that there were no exceptions for colleagues that were socialising. It isn’t supporting the point you’re desperately trying to make at all.
 
FatCat said:
What is hilarious is that people are getting upset about what they were eating .

Defintley not weasel words - are they not supposed to eat !? If they are all at work and continuing work afterwards then surely the safest thing to do is to be in an out door setting? They are in clearly distinct groups.

you need to look at thinks a bit more objectively and calm down, swearing at people just because they don’t agree with you.
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Fat cat your turning into a enabler, whilst there's people like you happy to excuse any behaviour nothing will change
 
FatCat said:
I put on another post yesterday some stats about Malaysia - it’s obviously difficult to make comparisons across countries but essentially they have an approx population of 34 million and about 4000 covid cases per day. The UK’s vaccine roll out is on a par if not ahead of theirs.

therefore if the vast majority of our population are following the rules - why do we have such a disparity in covid cases?
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Because our "rules " were reduced to some of the lowest in the world ?
 
jam69 said:
Fat cat your turning into a enabler, whilst there's people like you happy to excuse any behaviour nothing will change
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I’ve tried to explain - the Christmas parties are offensive , disgusting and the gvt should be rightly slammed and investigated for such.

this picture of them outside - working not working , breaking between work - do we even know? has got people losing their minds.

the other point I’m trying to make is do we have enough detail to say whether this is wrong against the guidance at the time or not - people with a specific agenda just don’t look at the details and just assume the worst without the evidence to back it up.

the bbc says

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There is debate about what, if any, rules were being broken when this picture was taken in the Downing Street garden in May last year.
But, as far as many people seeing this photo will be concerned, the details don't matter.”
 
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