Genuinely think he needs sacking

Yeah, Scott will have a list of coaches in Europe chomping at the bit. Then there's the likes of Cooper, Edwards etc on these shores.

Maybe it will work out that there's someone better available in the summer. We will see, but my frustration is I think this season will Peter out if we remain with Carrick. The form is so bad I can not see how he is going to stop us conceding goal after goal.
Please don't mention Edwards as an option, I really would be seriously depressed if he was given the job, I know he's a mate of Scott and all that so wouldn't surprise me if we did make a change, I'd rather stick with Carrick if it was between the two of them.
 
I think that Sheff Wed draw has been massively detrimental. Similar to the Huddersfield game a couple of seasons ago, we’ve look bereft of confidence and composure since then.
Totally agree, I haven't seen anything quite like it. It had that feeling during the Bobby Murdoch collapse in the 80s - only not quite as bad .
We couldn't defend and always looked a bag of nerves, you knew we could be OK at some stages of the game and then just fall apart.
 
The principal is the same - someone not good enough is having a massive impact.
People around that individual usually know the ‘boss’ isn’t good enough. In that scenario no one wins.

The suggestion that you hang on to a football manager you know isn’t good enough for what you want to achieve messes with my mind.

Lets agree to disagree

Gibson may well think he is good enough btw - that’s his prerogative but a different discussion.
If he isn’t good enough, I don’t believe we couldn’t tempt someone better.
Cant apply business ethics to football IMO. The pool of able contestants for a job is minuscule for a start compared to shop management. I could manage a store with experience quite easily. Its being able to manage highly trained professionals, understand how to massage the egos of young highly paid and in some instances highly strung individuals who know they cant be dismissed for underperforming unlike in "normal" business circles.
 
There is no point sacking the manager until the end of the season imo

Losing at home to a team that better than your shouldn’t warrant the straw to break the camels back.

I’d say emotions, even though youve slept on it, are running high still
 
Woodgate again chronically underfunded came in when no one else would for his very first job. He did netter than most and even at his worst had a better record than Chris Wilder's last season with us.
You really believe he was the only one applying for the job at the time? Really? If you believe that, you are more idiotic than I thought before…..that is some feat btw.

jobs for the boys, square pegs in round holes... it's all just moronic drivel that sounds good in a group of other morons parroting the same thing at each other. four four two.. change the system.. get at em..
Pot kettle black regarding moronic drivel. If it isn’t endless lists of players, with zero realism, it is absolute crap regarding allowing flares at games and sticking your head in the sand about racism. You are the emperor of absolute bull**** spouted.
 
But your quick to say this player should be dropped or this player should play, but it’s not your job to have those names in mind….
That’s his right as a supporter and member of a message board. I expect he does or has paid good money also. Stop being so pedantic, as it clearly would not be his job to scout the world for alternative managers.
 
There is no point sacking the manager until the end of the season imo

Losing at home to a team that better than your shouldn’t warrant the straw to break the camels back.

I’d say emotions, even though youve slept on it, are running high still

I'm calm today. It's just how I feel.

I also know it won't happen. But i would be pleased if it did. I think if we struggle in the next 2 then it could potentially happen.
 
There is no point sacking the manager until the end of the season imo

Losing at home to a team that better than your shouldn’t warrant the straw to break the camels back.

I’d say emotions, even though youve slept on it, are running high still
But I think if there is such thing as a good time to sack a manager, it’s around Feb, March. Let them get a handle on the squad for a few months, get their ideas working and plan for the summer window properly.

If you do what we always do and wait until we’ve lost the first 10 games by October, it’s yet - yet - another transitional season.

Also say we do what we’re most likely to do and finish either 6th and bomb straight out of the playoffs, or 7th or 8th, then get rid of Carrick. I wouldn’t blame the likes of Hackney for looking at a summer move in that circumstance, again it’s uncertainty and transition. If a new manager comes in with a few months to go it can build a bit of excitement, start the next season already playing the way they want rather than totally undercooked like we always are, and good players might stay on.
 
What’s the point of that? Carrick has shown no signs at all that he can get this side promoted, we are miles away from that sort of level. Why waste the rest of the season waiting to find out the inevitable
Shown no signs at all…… hmmmmm
 
Sunlun`s Manager had never been heard of before - just look at the job he's doing. 14 points above us.
Rohl at Sheffield Wednesday, saved them from "certain" relegation, and now only 2 points behind us.
Chris Davies doing an excellent job at Birmingham City - with a win rate of 73%.
Iraola at Bournemouth. Doing a cracking job with the smallest club in the Premiership.
James Goodwin. Currently managing third-placed Dundee United. Good history and understanding of leagues across England, Scotland and Ireland.
John Sadler. Doing a great job at Walsall and knows the English game inside out.


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But I think if there is such thing as a good time to sack a manager, it’s around Feb, March. Let them get a handle on the squad for a few months, get their ideas working and plan for the summer window properly.

If you do what we always do and wait until we’ve lost the first 10 games by October, it’s yet - yet - another transitional season.

Also say we do what we’re most likely to do and finish either 6th and bomb straight out of the playoffs, or 7th or 8th, then get rid of Carrick. I wouldn’t blame the likes of Hackney for looking at a summer move in that circumstance, again it’s uncertainty and transition. If a new manager comes in with a few months to go it can build a bit of excitement and good players might stay on.
I can agree, if the seasons over you can sack him so someone can assess with Scott the way forward
 
Let's see if he gets us into the top six by play-off time.
If he doesn't, he's failed to achieve his objective this season, and the big man upstairs will ultimately decide.
For me, I wouldn't sack him.
 
So, who is on the shortlist of the currently unemployed managers we should be replacing Carrick with then? Seems a bit short sighted to me
 
Cant apply business ethics to football IMO. The pool of able contestants for a job is minuscule for a start compared to shop management. I could manage a store with experience quite easily. Its being able to manage highly trained professionals, understand how to massage the egos of young highly paid and in some instances highly strung individuals who know they cant be dismissed for underperforming unlike in "normal" business circles.

I’m not sure the pool (as % wise) is minuscule at all.

At any one time there are around 5 clubs in the top two divisions looking to find a new manager.

The pool includes those in the lower divisions, those abroad, those out of work and those who would want to work for Gibson.
I don’t think for one moment that is a barrier to sacking a manager.
We have never struggled to find a replacement in the past - not sure why anyone thinks it will be a problem this time around.

The mentality of the leader (in this case Gibson) should be no different either.
You stick with someone you think is good enough and you get rid of someone you think isn’t.
 
Haven’t been for a few, work has gotten in the way. The form isn’t great. Has the quality of the football deteriorated??
One thing that strikes me, it struck me as I haven’t been to many games is how weak we seem, physically, especially defending. I always believed that you sort your defence out first, that’s the priority, if so you can always nick games but if you ship goals/concede soft ones you’re fighting an uphill battle. We lack bite and have done for years. We need to be more aggressive, nastier even.
 
I’m not sure the pool (as % wise) is minuscule at all.

At any one time there are around 5 clubs in the top two divisions looking to find a new manager.

The pool includes those in the lower divisions, those abroad, those out of work and those who would want to work for Gibson.
I don’t think for one moment that is a barrier to sacking a manager.
We have never struggled to find a replacement in the past - not sure why anyone thinks it will be a problem this time around.

The mentality of the leader (in this case Gibson) should be no different either.
You stick with someone you think is good enough and you get rid of someone you think isn’t.
I still firmly believe you cant equate the two professions as you are doing.

The barrier for sacking him by the way is the risk in upsetting any chance of making the playoffs. I still believe we will if we remain with Carrick and I am going on the evidence of what I was seeing in terms of effort on the pitch last night. I also believe that Gibson will agree.
 
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