Gareth Southgate's strong message after some supporters booed when England players take the knee [Gazette]

GazC_MFC said:
Why do you oppose the gesture?
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Several reasons - the symbolism doesn't sit right with me at all. Firstly it originated as an anti-patriotic gesture during the US anthem. Whether that was justified in the US or not is not up for debate - the knee symbolises US anti-patriotic sentiment which there is no need to replicate in the UK. It makes me feel uncomfortable to copy that here.

Secondly is a more nuanced point - the gesture actually apes the action of Derek Chauvin himself. I think as a gesture it couldn't be in worse taste.

Third - the politics and aims of BLM are certainly questionable and don't warrant my unwavering support.

Fourth - see my post #23 on this thread. I'm sure there are other reasons too.
 
By the way just because they were local doesn’t mean they support boro either as plenty of plastic Liverpool rtc fans live locally.

nothing to do with the boro
 
Colin Warnek said:
Several reasons - the symbolism doesn't sit right with me at all. Firstly it originated as an anti-patriotic gesture during the US anthem. Whether that was justified in the US or not is not up for debate - the knee symbolises US anti-patriotic sentiment which there is no need to replicate in the UK. It makes me feel uncomfortable to copy that here.

Secondly is a more nuanced point - the gesture actually apes the action of Derek Chauvin himself. I think as a gesture it couldn't be in worse taste.

Third - the politics and aims of BLM are certainly questionable and don't warrant my unwavering support.

Fourth - see my post #23 on this thread. I'm sure there are other reasons too.
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You choosing to ascertain that gesture to those things, the players taking the knee don’t

the players do it to highlight racial inequality
 
I just don’t understand the booing - fine to disagree but to boo? That takes effort and a conscience decision.
just to flip it I think there is a reverse parallel with the poppy and flag - question either and you inevitably end up being challenged either in person or in the print media or radio talk show.

I chose not to wear a poppy but don’t boo those who do.
 
Colin Warnek said:
Firstly it originated as an anti-patriotic gesture during the US anthem
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Well that is wrong for a start.
Colin Warnek said:
the gesture actually apes the action of Derek Chauvin himself.
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Nonsense. If I enter a Catholic church I kneel before I enter the pew as I was taught. It is a very old gesture of fealty.
Colin Warnek said:
the politics and aims of BLM are certainly questionable
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Also just wrong. BLM certainly has some members with "questionable" politics as does the Tory party the Labour Party, MFC, The Women's Institute, et bleedin cetera. The politics of those members are picked up by those who wish to divide us.
 
DCI_Gene_Hunt said:
The crucial difference is between not agreeing with something and actively protesting (by booing) against it.

I don't agree with taking the knee but I certainly wouldn't condemn those who choose to do so.

By not agreeing with taking the knee that alone doesn't make anyone racist unless you want to include Assembalonga, Fletcher, Akpomb, Bola etc as racists.
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This is what I can't get my head around, if you don't like them taking the knee - no idea why you would by the way - just keep quiet.

Actively booing it is what makes people look racist.

Racial equality? Boooooo. Seems crazy
 
Muttley said:
Well that is wrong for a start.
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Nope. Done during the national anthem with back turned to flag.
Muttley said:
Nonsense. If I enter a Catholic church I kneel before I enter the pew as I was taught. It is a very old gesture of fealty.
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It also copies Chauvin, which seems to me in poor taste to its cause. I appreciate that not everybody will equate that.
Muttley said:
Also just wrong. BLM certainly has some members with "questionable" politics as does the Tory party the Labour Party, MFC, The Women's Institute, et bleedin cetera. The politics of those members are picked up by those who wish to divide us.
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None of those organisations encourages kneeling or any mass gesture politics and if they did, I'd certainly oppose the same.
 
Nothing to do with the area, it would have happened last night no matter where the game was played. It will probably happen on Sunday and it will also probably happen at Wembley. What are the FA going to do if it happens on Sunday? I’m concerned that it’s an unnecessary distraction before a major tournament we have every chance of winning. It wasn’t isolated last night, it was loud - I was there. And going off the flags and the accents around me last night, I would say only a small minority were from Teesside or Boro fans but obviously we are now guilty by association.
 
I have read most of this thread and the replies don't surprise me. It's really simple: if you boo it then you're either ignorant, racist or both. It isn't any more difficult or complex than that. Anyone that wants to make it more complex than that is displaying one or both of those traits. It was an absolute embarrassment, the only crumb of comfort being that the booing was drowned out by decency.
 
joeydiaz said:
Nothing to do with the area, it would have happened last night no matter where the game was played. It will probably happen on Sunday and it will also probably happen at Wembley. What are the FA going to do if it happens on Sunday? I’m concerned that it’s an unnecessary distraction before a major tournament we have every chance of winning. It wasn’t isolated last night, it was loud - I was there. And going off the flags and the accents around me last night, I would say only a small minority were from Teesside or Boro fans but obviously we are now guilty by association.
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The TV companies lower the sound so I can certainly believe this.
 
joeydiaz said:
Nothing to do with the area, it would have happened last night no matter where the game was played. It will probably happen on Sunday and it will also probably happen at Wembley. What are the FA going to do if it happens on Sunday? I’m concerned that it’s an unnecessary distraction before a major tournament we have every chance of winning. It wasn’t isolated last night, it was loud - I was there. And going off the flags and the accents around me last night, I would say only a small minority were from Teesside or Boro fans but obviously we are now guilty by association.
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Exactly loads of southern voices around me as well so England fans not boro hell there was a huge wolves and Bristol flag behind the goal what more evidence do you need how varied the crowd was.

england not boro
 
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