Fury v Whyte

I don’t think he was pushing him down, he hit him with the uppercut then pushed him off to create space. I don’t think he knew he was out until he went over.
 
Jedi boro said:
For their reputation I mean, brand AJ needs that fury fight for his credibility otherwise there will always be that question mark hanging over him.

But yes money wise they are both sorted for many many lifetimes.
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I'd say Fury needs AJ on his record too, particularly if AJ regains his title vs Usyk. HE doesn't want to spend his whole life being asked why he didn't fight AJ. If Lennox hadn't fought Mike Tyson he would have had the same questions. It's a legacy fight.
 
Uwefuchs said:
People bought so much into the Joshua/Hearn/Matchroom hype. They thought AJ was unbeatable and his opponents such as Whyte were far better than what they were.

Most of the AJ fanboys never gave Fury or Wilder enough credit and the last 2 years showed that Fury is levels above everyone else apart from Usyk.

I love Usyk and he's really special but I think Fury is just too big for him.
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I think that was the case in this fight, Fury was just too big for Whyte to get in close. You need to be at least 6 foot 6 to compete physically with Fury.

Saying that Whyte is a very good boxer, very dangerous if he can get inside. But styles and tactics make fights, and Whyte had the wrong style to get in close to Fury, that's pretty obvious now.

The difference in height between Whyte and AJ is much less, so it's far easier for him to compete and of course they just went to war with each other.

AJ vs Fury would still be a mega fight, and still be intriguing, nothing has changed from this fight. Fury would still be the bookies favourite and the experts favourite, but far closer than this fight.
 
BoroMart said:
I'd say Fury needs AJ on his record too, particularly if AJ regains his title vs Usyk. HE doesn't want to spend his whole life being asked why he didn't fight AJ. If Lennox hadn't fought Mike Tyson he would have had the same questions. It's a legacy fight.
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Fury doesn't need anything or anyone else on his record. He may want something else but need? Nah...there is no coherent arguments any longer to claim anything other than he is the best of his generation.
 
BoroMart said:
I think that was the case in this fight, Fury was just too big for Whyte to get in close. You need to be at least 6 foot 6 to compete physically with Fury.

Saying that Whyte is a very good boxer, very dangerous if he can get inside. But styles and tactics make fights, and Whyte had the wrong style to get in close to Fury, that's pretty obvious now.

The difference in height between Whyte and AJ is much less, so it's far easier for him to compete and of course they just went to war with each other.

AJ vs Fury would still be a mega fight, and still be intriguing, nothing has changed from this fight. Fury would still be the bookies favourite and the experts favourite, but far closer than this fight.
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Fury was too big AND too skilled, its one thing having a size advantage but Fury moves better than most smaller heavyweights as well. Not only was he taller than Whyte with a longer reach he had faster hands and much faster feet.

I remember debating with people on here in the past when Fury's record was being rubbished compared to AJs. I said Fury's Chisora wins were as good as AJs win vs Whyte even though Whyte has been hyped up to be some kind of monster. Smaller, slow footed fighters are easy work for Fury.

To beat Fury you need to extremely skilled andhave great footwork to close the gaps. I'm sure a prime Mike Tyson would have been able to cut the ring down and get inside Fury's jab and I think Usyk will cause him some problems. Or, you need to be a similar size to Fury and be able to outjab him which I'm sure Lennox Lewis could have done.

As for AJ I think he could beat Fury if they stood in the middle of the ring and had a war but I've always thought a fit, motivated Fury would be too good. AJ would put up a better fight than Whyte but Fury is too mobile and too experienced.
 
If Usyk bests AJ which you'd expect then the only fight left for Fury is Usyk to become the undisputed champion.

AJ would then have 3 defeats in 5 fights, the fight would be pointless.
 
Fury can certainly retire, but it would be a bit strange if he didn't fight his main rival throughout his career (Joshua) and avoided the undisputed fight. Also, if Usyk became undisputed and remained undefeated, he would be rightfully labelled as an all time great and the best of his generation. That would bring into question Fury's claim of being the best of the same generation. It would also be a stretch to call him an all time great. To achieve such accolades you have to go above and beyond the norm. The fact that Fury would have left some important fights on the table and only defended his title against two men (Wilder & Whyte) would count against him.
 
Usyk would be an all time great becausue of his cruiserweight run and then going up to heavyweight, he wouldn't be a heavyweight all time great as it stands, it takes a lot to crack that status when the fighters around aren't that great.

Fury vs Usyk would be the only fight to make either of them all time greats as it stands and I'm not sure that would be enough either. If Fury beat both Joshua and Usyk I still don't think he cracks all time great status. He's already a hall of famer though.
 
If Fury is that good, how come you all don't want him to fight AJ or even Usyk? You cant claim to be the best without fighting them. It was the same with Mayweather - Pacquiao & Lennox - Tyson etc.
 
He doesn’t need to fight AJ as he hasn’t earned it Usyk yes if fury fancies it.

But he has nothing left to prove.
 
Chappy112 said:
Usyk would be an all time great becausue of his cruiserweight run and then going up to heavyweight, he wouldn't be a heavyweight all time great as it stands, it takes a lot to crack that status when the fighters around aren't that great.

Fury vs Usyk would be the only fight to make either of them all time greats as it stands and I'm not sure that would be enough either. If Fury beat both Joshua and Usyk I still don't think he cracks all time great status. He's already a hall of famer though.
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At the end of the day, an all time great is an all time great. The fact Usyk has done so much at Cruiserweight means he doesn't have to do as much at Heavyweight. But still, if Usyk fights everyone he can and is supposed to at HW, there's nothing more that he can do. Subjective opinions about the current crop in the division not being that great holds little credence. Many would say the opposite.

In the same token, if Fury goes on and becomes undisputed and beats Usyk, Joshua or others; that legacy would be one of greatness in a historical context.
 
Loop said:
If Fury is that good, how come you all don't want him to fight AJ or even Usyk? You cant claim to be the best without fighting them. It was the same with Mayweather - Pacquiao & Lennox - Tyson etc.
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I don't think there is anyone who would say they don't want to see that fight with AJ but it also isn't a neccessary fight for him especially if Joshua lost again against Usyk. Joshua would have to go and win some big fights to get himself back into contention for that to be a required fight for Fury and when I say required, that's only for legacy, if the man wants to retire rich and with his brain fully functioning then I'd never criticise anyone for doing that.

If Fury retired now he would be a hall of famer and maybe a top 20 heavyweight of all time but nothing more and that is absolutely fine if that's what he wants to do, beating Joshua at this point certainly wouldn't bump him up that list anymore, Usyk would though in my opinion.
 
JustTheGent said:
At the end of the day, an all time great is an all time great. The fact Usyk has done so much at Cruiserweight means he doesn't have to do as much at Heavyweight. But still, if Usyk fights everyone he can and is supposed to at HW, there's nothing more that he can do. Subjective opinions about the current crop in the division not being that great holds little credence. Many would say the opposite.

In the same token, if Fury goes on and becomes undisputed and beats Usyk, Joshua or others; that legacy would be one of greatness in a historical context.
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I agree but your point was that Usyk would be an all time great which would make him the best heavyweight of the generation which isn't true, Usyk is an all time great because of his cruiserweight legacy and winning a heavyweight title, that alone does not make him the best of his generation at heavyweight. He'd have to do quite a bit to get ahead of Fury and I'm not sure that the fights are there at the moment.
 
Jedi boro said:
He doesn’t need to fight AJ as he hasn’t earned it Usyk yes if fury fancies it.

But he has nothing left to prove.
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If AJ won & got all his belts back, would that "earn" him a shot? or likewise if Usyk won again. There would be question marks over his proclaimed greatness forevermore.
 
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