England Squad Announced

Rofesleg said:
I didn't realise that. I thought Graham Taylor's 396 debuts in 40 games would never be beaten.
Carlton Palmer.
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I'm mistaken anyway, assuming Transfermarkt's data is accurate, so I'll go back and change that.

Sir Bobby Robson gave more in his 8 years in charge, as did Sir Alf Ramsey (9 years in charge), and Sir Walter Winterbottom (16 years in charge).

But they all managed for quite a bit longer.
 
TeaCider said:
Sir Bobby Robson gave more in his 8 years in charge, as did Sir Alf Ramsey (9 years in charge), and Sir Walter Winterbottom (16 years in charge).

But they all managed for quite a bit longer.
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Exactly, Southgate has only been in charge what, 6 years. After a competition there is usually a re-evaluation and some retirements. I would expect Trippier, Henderson and Walker to retire. Maguire, Watkins, Mings, Sterling, Bowen and Coady will be phased out over the following 18 months before the next competition. That will create space for another 10-15 players to battle for squad places.

I guess southgate will leave regardless after the WC, but we will be in a far far better place than when he took over. We had lots of aged and limited players back then. But the next guy will have a very young but fairly experienced squad:

Reece James 22yo with15 caps
Marc Guehi 22yo with 3 caps
TAA 24yo with 17 caps
Tomori 24yo with 3caps
Rice 23yo with 34 caps
Bellingham 19yo with 17 caps
Mount 23 with 32 caps
Foden 22yo with 18 caps
Saka 21yo with 20caps
Tyrick Mitchell 23yo with 2 caps
Gallagher 22yo with 4 caps
Smith-Rowe 22yo with 3 caps

That is a great basis for the future of the England team.
 
BoroMart said:
Exactly, Southgate has only been in charge what, 6 years. After a competition there is usually a re-evaluation and some retirements. I would expect Trippier, Henderson and Walker to retire. Maguire, Watkins, Mings, Sterling, Bowen and Coady will be phased out over the following 18 months before the next competition. That will create space for another 10-15 players to battle for squad places.

I guess southgate will leave regardless after the WC, but we will be in a far far better place than when he took over. We had lots of aged and limited players back then. But the next guy will have a very young but fairly experienced squad:

Reece James 22yo with15 caps
Marc Guehi 22yo with 3 caps
TAA 24yo with 17 caps
Tomori 24yo with 3caps
Rice 23yo with 34 caps
Bellingham 19yo with 17 caps
Mount 23 with 32 caps
Foden 22yo with 18 caps
Saka 21yo with 20caps
Tyrick Mitchell 23yo with 2 caps
Gallagher 22yo with 4 caps
Smith-Rowe 22yo with 3 caps

That is a great basis for the future of the England team.
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Southgate has inherited a wealth of young talent in players that won the World Cup U17s in 2017. Players like Foden, Smith Rowe, Sancho, ( who you miss off your list) Guehi Hudson Odoi all came through that tournament. Disappointinly that tournaments top scorer and who won the golden boot didn’t develop and is still in the Championship. Where is Angel Gomes or Danny Loader - these all examples of the academy structure at St George’s ready to fill our national side with future stars. The new manager (and I am pretty sure we will have a new one in place next year) will be in a good place.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
OMG
Grealish should be the first player on the team sheet and would be if he was Brazilian
Then Bellingham, then kane and build a team around them…
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Kane, Rice, Foden, Bellingham, Trippier, Pickford would all be on my team sheet before I even considered Grealish. Think he will be a good impact player as he was in Euros
 
TeaCider said:
Got called up in in 2019, caught an illness but then went to the casino whilst England were playing, which was plastered all over the papers.

The only problem there is he was given his sole cap immediately after the casino incident.
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I think a bit of discipline - on the pitch as well.

He plays as a proper number 10 with a free role for Leicester, does what he wants. Gareth doesn’t do well with creative midfielders, especially not with that system where Kane drops back as a bit of a number 10.

It’s why Grealish isn’t trusted to start and ends up coming on for half an hour at left forward, and it doesn’t really work.

I’d still take Maddison like.
 
Diego said:
Kane, Rice, Foden, Bellingham, Trippier, Pickford would all be on my team sheet before I even considered Grealish. Think he will be a good impact player as he was in Euros
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exactly. People at the time slated Southgate for not playing him every match, but time has proven Southgate right, Grealish isn't consistent enough, doesn't impose himself on games enough, and winning free kicks is all well and good, but against decent sides they'll usually see those freekicks out without a goal being conceded.
 
BoroMart said:
but time has proven Southgate right,
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So did we beat Italy at Wembley then I must have missed that.

The fact is international football isn’t about a club it’s about winning key games when it matters and thus far Gareth has fallen short

Croatia semi final we should have won

Euro final at Wembley we score first .., we should have won

It’s all about those big games
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
I think a bit of discipline - on the pitch as well.

He plays as a proper number 10 with a free role for Leicester, does what he wants. Gareth doesn’t do well with creative midfielders, especially not with that system where Kane drops back as a bit of a number 10.

It’s why Grealish isn’t trusted to start and ends up coming on for half an hour at left forward, and it doesn’t really work.

I’d still take Maddison like.
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We don't often play a 10 for England, to rip up an international team to accommodate Maddison is some take, despite him playing well. Grealish has barely played 10 for england, either, mount has been more effective in that role. Grealish usually plays wide left and poorly.

If it was a choice between Grealish and Maddison, I'd probably take Maddison
 
Jedi boro said:
That in itself is a joke

It one thing giving a token cap here and there but often they are thrown in with other newbies so not really being given a chance.
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Why is it a joke? Simply because of the club he plays for? His form for them has been up and down. He's got 3 caps in the 18 months he's been playing for them. Now that he is established there he will be in teh England team, but he showed with his recent red card how far he has to go to be international quality
 
BoroMart said:
Why is it a joke? Simply because of the club he plays for? His form for them has been up and down. He's got 3 caps in the 18 months he's been playing for them. Now that he is established there he will be in teh England team, but he showed with his recent red card how far he has to go to be international quality
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To not play him in Italy v Italy in his home stadium was just bizarre.
 
Diego said:
If you look at Maddison’s stats over the past 18 months and watch him regularly it’s ridiculous that we are even talking about him maybe getting in the squad. He should be nailed on to be going on the plane
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That’s the point thought isn’t it, if the squad were just picked on stats you wouldn’t need a manager. Southgate presumably prefers others and that’s on his head? Hey, he knows a good midfielder when he sees one, that’s why he let Cattermole and Morrison go and played Matty Bates😉
 
Jedi boro said:
So did we beat Italy at Wembley then I must have missed that.

The fact is international football isn’t about a club it’s about winning key games when it matters and thus far Gareth has fallen short

Croatia semi final we should have won

Euro final at Wembley we score first .., we should have won

It’s all about those big games
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So are you claiming if Grealish had have played we would have been guarenteed to win teh competition. That's rediculous.

Southgate has the first or second best record as England manager, depending how you want to grade it. IF having a trophy is the only success, and failing to win is failure then that ignores the limitations imposed by reality on any international manager. I guess Jack Charlton was a failure for Ireland, and Lars Lagerback getting Iceland to a euro quarter was indeed failure

Every game is a big game, most of his predecessors failed to reach those 'big games' because they lost to romania, or iceland or portugal
 
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