But he keeps picking Barlaser, the slow mover, poor corner and free kick taker, the non tackler. The non goalscorer. Only one person to blame.
Does Carrick get an easy ride?
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Glover_elbow
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Fo me we had 2 key areas last season to improve to be challenging for the autos
1. Replacement for howson / defensive mid
Morris is doing it well.. Box ticked.
2. Address left side issues, left back early days can borges meet the challenge.
Left wing burgzorg not good enough. Hamilton doesnt look ready mcgree can't be relied on to be fit.
I would agree with your assessment of no 10 being an issue now this season. Is azaz good enough i have my doubts he is.
BoroMart
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I think that many fans can see we are close, so he gets more time. We also remember in his first 6 months just how amazingly well we played, some of the best football in my time as a Boro fan, and that buys him time.
I feel once we get a settled team, we will start to get the results our general play deserves. We are out-creating teams in every single game. Lath will refind his form, Doak will take Jones's place, McGree will get in and at soon Forss will be our go to Bench option. That will get us better quality opportunities and more of them and the results will come.
I really don't believe you.
There's been plenty of praise for Scott over recent weeks but the failure to bring in another proper no10 will be costly in my opinion.
It's been spoken about all summer.
The fact that we are all so desperate to see Forss and McGree back in the team maybe suggests the recruitment in those front 4 positions may not have been as brilliant as people are making out. We've brought a lot of players in in those positions over the last 3 windows yet they still seem to be our best options. (And were last season)
Of course there some players that need to be given a proper chance before we will know for certain.
HolgateCorner
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I was meaning careful about the credibility of your argument.
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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The problem is the same as it was last season - we are not committed enough to keeping the ball out of our net, especially at home against so called lesser opposition.
Is a manager culpable for repeated failings in the same area? some would say yes, however, not committing to a tackle or a midfielder letting his man run off the back of him (the cause of he goals Saturday) are basic errors that championship level players shouldn't make.
Is a manager culpable for repeated failings in the same area? some would say yes, however, not committing to a tackle or a midfielder letting his man run off the back of him (the cause of he goals Saturday) are basic errors that championship level players shouldn't make.
indeedido
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His argument is a very reasonable one - and it his opinion.
I see the argument but am not there.
I think BoroMart is right, Carrick deserves patience.
The start has been stuttering - we have NOT been playing really well and are capable of better performances and results. We will need both.
The recruitment has been encouraging, it will never be foolproof.
Sadly for me Carrick clearly likes certain players that I don't rate.
BG said about not recruiting a 10. Sadly I think they think they have one in Azaz.
I think he has enough cards and some divisional top trumps to get promoted.
He might well yet do so, we are on for 73 points currently.
If he doesn't make the play offs then he will have failed.
If he does and wins them, or makes top 2 then he will be rightly revered.
Agree.
I sort of missed the goal on Saturday as I was going through the checkout to get Oasis tickets as it went in.
But just watched it back on the highlights there. Obviously Borges gets caught out up the field. The highlights don't show what led to that. So can't really comment whether that was a mistake by Borges or not.
That leaves us a bit short but still look in reasonable shape when the ball comes across. We have the main spaces covered. People often talk about tracking men but that's not really how teams defend now. They defend spaces. The ball runs straight through the space Barlaser is defending. He should cut it out. It's below head height.
It would be nice for our forwards to get the time and space that we give to opposition. We defend like subbuteo players at times.
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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A poster earlier in the thread mentions the word arrogance, relating to selection, but I think we play with a degree of arrogance, especially at home, in that we think we can pass it about play pretty football and expect to win. We don't do the ugly stuff well enough for 95 mins +
indeedido
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Sadly Borge also does not respond quickly afterwards, tracking back slowly.
There was still enough cover to deal with the move - they didn't.
It goes in all too easily.
It's at 1:40 on the attached clip.
I had assumed it was a bad pass but couldn't tell.
From what you can see in this clip it doesn't really look like Borges had much chance of winning it. It wasn't a 50/50. So I would say passer is more at fault than Borges.
But like I said once we transition into defence we get ourselves in reasonable shape.
Clarke comes across to cover LB.
Edmondson gets tight with their 9.
Ayling is in a good position.
Barlaser and Hackney are organised. Hackney is marking the space on the edge and Barlaser has taken a good position.
Barlaser should be cutting out anything that comes low across the box but he just let's it by pass him which leaves an easy finish.
Had it been lofted, Ayling would have attacked it.
The gap between Hackney and Barlaser is bigger than it looks. They aren't marking the space effectively. Hackney never even looks to see who's coming in behind him, neither does Barlaser. It's a complete lack of awareness. They are both ball watching. Ayling has 3 players to mark and they all have a run on him if the ball is lofted. Clarke should have gone to close the crosser down. With Borges out the way someone has to act as the left back. Barlaser was there to cover the CB so Clarke could have gone out. All of our players have got sucked into the ball without getting close enough to have any impact on the ball or mark any of the attackers other than the one in the centre.
It's a good 1st time finish but even if he had taken a touch there was a crowd of them with options. That is poor defending all round. We're not just being unlucky.
Don't agree.
Hackney is in a good position to defend the cut back where (I think it's) Greenwood is lurking.
He actually reacts to the cross but can't get there because he's too far away. Azaz has also tracked back in to take a good position. Positionally we are in good shape.
Had Barlaser reacted in the same way Hackney did he would have cut it out. But he just stood still and watched it pass him. Look at the screenshot below. The only way that ball should be able to reach the position it was struck from is by lifting it over Barlaser ( in which case Ayling would have attacked it). Anything driven low should be could by Barlaser.
It goes back to Debeve's comment above about being committed. Barlaser could have cut that out. Head or chest but he just doesn't take responsibility. Just let's it bypass him.
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Your perspective is wrong if you think Barlaser could have stopped the cross. The gap between Hackney and Barlaser is bigger than the one between Azaz and Clarke, it's about 6/7 yards. You could fit a bus through it.
Hackney had a glance at Greenwood and didn't look at anyone else. The goal scorer had a completely free run. Barlaser was completely ineffective, I'll give you that. He should have been in Clarke's position and Clarke should have been out to close down the cross until Borges could recover.
There are 7 Preston players in the picture and if you exclude Jones and Borges who were too far upfield to get back in time, then there were 6 defenders. The man on the ball was unchallenged and two runners at the back completely unmarked. Hackney was marking Greenwood but oblivious to the real danger, Clarke and Barlaser were ineffectively marking nothing.
Why are you looking at the gap between Hackney and Barlaser and not the Gap between Barlaser and the ball? Which is less than 0.5m in fact I think Barlaser moves out the way of the ball. My point is Barlaser should have cut it out instead of getting out the way of it.
I can see you really think Hackney is at fault for not tracking the goalscorer, but has he done that they would have just cut back to the big hole he'd have left to greenwood on the edge of the box. Greenwood was an easier pass so was a "real danger"
Again you are focusing on man to man defending. We (and no one in 2024) defends like that. Barlaser has gone to the right space. He just doesn't cut it out when he should. If Barlaser cut;s out the ball instead of moving out the way of it, the goal never happens.
Like I said in the previous post, the only way the crosser should have been able to pick out the goalscorer is by lifting it over Barlaser. Had he done that, Ayling would have challenged it.
We were in good shape. Barlaser didn't do his job.
Explain to me why Barlaser doesn't cut this out...
I ACCEPT THE LINES ARE A BIT SKETCHY BUT IT WAS THE BEST I COULD DO ON MY PHONE
. I think they get the point across thoughI'm not blaming Hackney. I'm blaming the team for not understanding how to defend properly. Barlaser is completely ineffective here but I don't think it's just his fault. Hackney isn't blameless, nor is Barlaser, Azaz or Clarke (or Borges). There's probably 5 mistakes in this couple of seconds of play. Individual mistakes happen but several mistakes all at once is down to the team not knowing what their job is. Ayling and Edmundson are the only ones that really do their job here.
We have two options in this situation. Either prevent a cross or allow it to happen but cover the space. We do neither. Barlaser has to be in a position to be able to do both and he ends up doing neither but that's as much on Clarke not committing as it is to Barlaser. It's 2 on 2 out wide, no great danger but Azaz buys a dummy but that still leaves Clarke 1 on 1 and instead of going out to prevent the cross he stops and lets it happen. Barlaser is on his way to cover Clarke at CB and as the ball comes in his momentum is in the wrong direction to be cutting out the cutback. If Azaz had have done his job better he would have been blocking the space for the pass to Greenwood and if Hackney had been aware of the goalscorer he'd have been able to position himself to block that pass.
This isn't a one-off. We seem to concede a fair few where our defenders rush back to the 6 yard box and the midfielders fail to pick up the runners and Barlaser isn't always there to take the blame.
Its not always Barlaser's fault. But this one is. That is absolutely b0ll0cks that his momentum takes him past. He stops in exactly the right place he should as the ball is delivered. If his momentum is taking him away from the ball then he'd have moved position in the second still, the same as Clarke and the crosser have. He's totally stationary and balanced to deal with it. He does everything right up until this point.
Hackney shouldn't do the same job as Barlaser. He shouldn't mark the same space.
Hackney takes a good position. As does Azaz. As does Barlaser. As does Edmondson. As does Ayling.
Borges is out of position but we can cope with that if everyone does their job.
Barlaser didn't do his job.
He lets a ball pass him by, I'm actually convinced he moves out the way of it. He should have cut it out.
