Do you still have faith in Gibson?

Uwefuchs

Uwefuchs

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I'm not talking about his financial support but do you have faith in his ability to ever get the club back to the Premier league?

When Carrick does leave do you have faith in him choosing the right successor? Will it be Warnock or Woodgate again, or Downing, or Steve Agnew? Or will he find another young progressive manager to try and improve on what we've been doing?

Do you still trust in his decision making? Because everything he seems to touch now goes wrong.
 
I have faith that he wants the best for our club, and that he will continue to provide financial support. His judgement on Carrick seemed great last season, less so now after a poor start to the season.
I have faith that he will ensure that we don’t do a Derby or a Wigan or a Reading, by breaking FFP rules. It could be a long, hard, season though - I agree. We really need to get our first win soon . Scoring first would be a big help. When was the last time we did that?
 
It’s no good changing the manager if we recruit a bunch of foreign players from obscure clubs with no English experience. I’m sure Gibson isn’t the one choosing the squad but he is responsible for the recruitment team that just seems to get worse and worse.
 
Gibbo happy , he has 21000 season ticket holders, and now pulling back . I have been sceptical about him for a long time . He is a control freak , but holds all the cards ! Suffer in silence Im afraid !
 
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I'm not talking about his financial support but do you have faith in his ability to ever get the club back to the Premier league?
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I think if he still runs the club indefinitely, yes, we'd get back up at some point. But the problem is we're becoming a club who doesn't 'yoyo' anymore, and I don't want us to somehow end up with a club that is less successful than the one he took ownership of in 1994. Those first 12-14 years cannot be dined out on for another 30. I actually feel sorry for people like Dana Malt who have never seen us be anything other than this.
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When Carrick does leave do you have faith in him choosing the right successor? Will it be Warnock or Woodgate again, or Downing, or Steve Agnew? Or will he find another young progressive manager to try and improve on what we've been doing?
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Depends what you mean by 'right' successor. I feel that the club's current financial structure makes it difficult for anyone to succeed, hence why none of them are. I don't believe he's just made 10 or 11 terrible appointments in the last 14 years. The next one would follow a similar pattern if recent history tells us anything.
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Do you still trust in his decision making? Because everything he seems to touch now goes wrong.
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I don't know if he was ever the mastermind people thought he was. He was a young, fearless owner with cash on the hip who'd just wrestled control of his hometown club from the hands of a few dinosaurs (in his perception) and he was willing to put his money where his mouth was to justify himself to those people (and the fans). We should always be thankful for the wonderful era of 1994-2006ish that this mindset brought us.

Since the 2008 credit crunch his financial approach has been very different, which is his prerogative. Most fans would accept a more cautious approach if it meant at least standing still, but over the past 14 years we've slowly allowed the 'yoyo' status to slip further and further away, and are no longer 'standing still'.

I do partly blame my wife for all of this though. When I met her we were an established PL club on our way to another Cup Quarter-final, something that felt like a common occurrence in those days. We thought we'd win more silverware at some stage. She would come with me all over London to away games at Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal/Fulham etc. Since we met that season, its been a big gradual slide.

My firstborn is to blame for the more recent failures though. He was born the night after we beat Swansea 3-0 at the Riverside to go 14th in the PL. Since then, its just been free-wheeling.
 
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No sadly.

Up until a few years ago I was 100% behind him.

But stepping back, cutting the sentiment of what he did best part of 20 years ago, the club is at best stagnating worst in a slow decline.

You have to accept people make mistakes, happens with the best, but it seems since 2006 it's just been one thing after another.

Off the pitch especially, MFC seems to be run continually with a big FU to the fans, just expecting them to be obedient, take whatever and fall in line.

A successful spell on the pitch kind of masks what's happening off the pitch, but when the performances are poor fans frustrations start to bubble.
 
I've always been a firm yes, but have to admit the faith is dwindling.... just a little.

Not sure what the other option is tbh. American owner.... Saudis? No point in selling to someone in a similar financial position to Gibbo as it'll be someone who is less passionate about the club and the area.
 
Gibsons decision making on the whole has been poor throughout his time as chairman.

Yes, we had some success but that was achieved by over spending and has led to the club debt.

I feel the success we did have was as much luck as sound judgment.

Since Eindhoven it has been bad decision after bad decision. Unbalanced squads, paying over the odds on transfers, numerous changes of approach/philosophy.

I had been a season ticket holder continuously since Ayresome Park, the appointment of Woodgate was a step too far for me. Couldn't believe we had appointed Pulis, something I thought would never happen at this club.

I go occasionally, watch on telly etc but I must admit, there is very little to get excited about these days.

Do we need another top to bottom review, another change of management, another transition season, a change in recruitment and playing philosophy?

It's Gibson's club, it's his decisions and his debt. He is backed by very good support which would be more if there was consistency of leadership, based on sound footballing decisions.

The club, like any business will benefit from good leadership, is Gibson capable of this?
 
Nobody can doubt his support. Nobody can doubt his intentions to want to get Boro back to the Premier League. It is the only route to recouping some of the debt he services in keeping the club afloat. He is the clubs most valuable and prized asset in reality.

I have said before what my ideal is Steve owning and running the club as a proud Yorkshireman and successful business man, but in a virtually completely hands off way through appointing a successful and efficient CEO, proven in the world of football, with the necessary skill, authority and desire, a Kenyon type.

Easier said than done, but there will be people out there with the qualities and skills needed to run a successful club on his behalf. However, he has gone down the Scott Head of Football route. Arguably it needs time to bed in, but the early signs are concerning as to whether the right people are in the right posts. The rumoured issues about the data on Engel being flawed appears very real, although nevertheless still rumour without substance.

What we as fans think is largely irrelevant, we can’t always agree among ourselves, we jump to conclusions based on what we see on a matchday and that never portrays the real story anyway. All sorts of rumours and stories get aired, one or two may be near the mark, but many wide of it. We are all playstation wannabe managers who think we know best without holding 99% of the information and facts needed.

The reality is we love our club and want success and tolerating failure is not in most fans make-up. We have no choice but to accept what we are told and hope those holding the cards eventually find a good hand to deal up on our behalf so we can eventually (in the words of Paul McCartney) All Stand Together.
 
No, he is slowly killing the club year after year. I just hope he sells before he has completely run us into the ground

Hopefully once we get relegated then fans might realise he isn’t actually the best owner in football and start to demand change
 
Eh, I'm not against him or actively want him out, but the more time that passes the more I feel like he's just not especially invested personally anymore. And that might be unfair since I'm not really basing it on any hard evidence but it's just the feeling I get, that he just seems totally disconnected.

The lack of interaction in general with... anyone, particularly the fans at this point is annoying though. Feels like that used to be stronger but nowadays it's like there's never any effort to have any kind of interaction with fans on any level. Feels like the most we've heard out of him in years is statements to/about Chelsea and Derby.
 
Absolutely none and haven’t since he appointed Southgate to replace our most successful manager ever. His ego has completely undone him as a chairman.
 
Last time I put a Gibson post up it got taken down then I put back up again to be massage saying I was trolling and was lucky not to be put on a naughty step you couldn't make it up.All for having an opinion,what ever happened to freedom of speech.
 
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