Do you still have faith in Gibson?

Jonathan said:
Eh, I'm not against him or actively want him out, but the more time that passes the more I feel like he's just not especially invested personally anymore. And that might be unfair since I'm not really basing it on any hard evidence but it's just the feeling I get, that he just seems totally disconnected.

The lack of interaction in general with... anyone, particularly the fans at this point is annoying though. Feels like that used to be stronger but nowadays it's like there's never any effort to have any kind of interaction with fans on any level. Feels like the most we've heard out of him in years is statements to/about Chelsea and Derby.
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Well there was those meeting minutes in Private Eye as well......

In all seriousness I think its time for him to do a podcast, and be a bit more open with everyone. Whether its Jonny/Dana (win over the youngsters) or whoever, he needs to remind everyone what he's actually trying to achieve and how he is doing it. Without vague statements like "Of course we want promotion" etc.
 
One of the four guys that saved Middlesbrough FC in 1986 said to me over ten years ago.
"He will take us back where we were when he first got involved" which was summer 1986.
I told him not to be so daft.
He was right.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well there was those meeting minutes in Private Eye as well......

In all seriousness I think its time for him to do a podcast, and be a bit more open with everyone. Whether its Jonny/Dana (win over the youngsters) or whoever, he needs to remind everyone what he's actually trying to achieve and how he is doing it. Without vague statements like "Of course we want promotion" etc.
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Yeah, this type of thing would be something. Can't imagine him really going on a podcast but he at least used to occasionally go on the radio to talk about the club and take calls and that, and that was at least something.

We just feel very stiff and machine like as a club, like we barely hear anything from anyone other than the manager or players, we're always in the dark on things, we don't even know transfer fees 99% of the time. It's like a secret, closed shop where everyone is kept at arms length, including the fans.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think if he still runs the club indefinitely, yes, we'd get back up at some point. But the problem is we're becoming a club who doesn't 'yoyo' anymore, and I don't want us to somehow end up with a club that is less successful than the one he took ownership of in 1994. Those first 12-14 years cannot be dined out on for another 30. I actually feel sorry for people like Dana Malt who have never seen us be anything other than this.

Depends what you mean by 'right' successor. I feel that the club's current financial structure makes it difficult for anyone to succeed, hence why none of them are. I don't believe he's just made 10 or 11 terrible appointments in the last 14 years. The next one would follow a similar pattern if recent history tells us anything.

I don't know if he was ever the mastermind people thought he was. He was a young, fearless owner with cash on the hip who'd just wrestled control of his hometown club from the hands of a few dinosaurs (in his perception) and he was willing to put his money where his mouth was to justify himself to those people (and the fans). We should always be thankful for the wonderful era of 1994-2006ish.

Since the 2008 credit crunch his financial approach has been very different, which is his prerogative. Most fans would accept a more cautious approach if it meant at least standing still, but over the past 14 years we've slowly allowed the 'yoyo' status to slip further and further away, and are no longer 'standing still'.

I do partly blame my wife for all of this though. When I met her we were an established PL club on our way to another Cup Quarter-final, something that felt like a common occurrence in those days. We thought we'd win more silverware at some stage. She would come with me all over London to away games at Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal/Fulham etc. Since we met that season, its been a big gradual slide.

My firstborn is to blame for the more recent failures though. He was born the night after we beat Swansea 3-0 at the Riverside to go 14th in the PL. Since then, its just been free-wheeling.
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Made me smile that 😁

I can’t help but wonder if there is something in the Boro blood that makes us relate our lives away from football to the success and failures of our Boro, or is it true with all fans. Some people have memories evoked through music and song, but with me it is often through Boro memories, good and bad more so than music, I guess my mood has always been affected by a Boro result. I now realise I should have sought counselling a long time ago 😉
 
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coluka said:
Nobody can doubt his intentions to want to get Boro back to the Premier League.
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I'm not sure about this Col. He has certainly said he wants to - sounds a bit like he's learning from others tho
If you say it, people believe it. File under '40 new hospitals'
 
Uwefuchs said:
I'm not talking about his financial support but do you have faith in his ability to ever get the club back to the Premier league?

When Carrick does leave do you have faith in him choosing the right successor? Will it be Warnock or Woodgate again, or Downing, or Steve Agnew? Or will he find another young progressive manager to try and improve on what we've been doing?

Do you still trust in his decision making? Because everything he seems to touch now goes wrong.
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No. I don’t think he has the enthusiasm he once had to get us back, let alone the ability.
 
First 12 years Gibson was brilliant.But the impact the the last 15 years stuck in the championship has obviously taken its toll he's tried his best on a financial level but that's a struggle right now as it is for many clubs especially with the amount of money gone into the bigger clubs.What I struggle with as far as Gibson is concerned is his decision making over the years and the debt we are in is making the club almost unsellable which is a worry for our future so what's the answer?
 
Paulh10 said:
First 12 years Gibson was brilliant.But the impact the the last 15 years stuck in the championship has obviously taken its toll he's tried his best on a financial level but that's a struggle right now as it is for many clubs especially with the amount of money gone into the bigger clubs.What I struggle with as far as Gibson is concerned is his decision making over the years and the debt we are in is making the club almost unsellable which is a worry for our future so what's the answer?
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'Good decisions' look much easier when you have more money.
 
we have this fractious series of posts everytime the boro are on a losing streak.

the same posters say the same things over and over and over again - and then have the audacity to cite gibson as the one who is repeating business mistakes.

i asked paulh on one of his gibsob postings, what decisions he thought gibson had got wrong - he couldnt answer till someone else (uncle rico) gave an answer.

indeedido - always consistent and i respect him for that - but come on, 'one of the 4' - name him and perhaps we can see why this person may or may not have said that - as we see everyday on this board, bitter men say bitter things.

people with no 'success' in any field, sector or life bawling into their pobs - its baffling as to what they think they have - most wouldnt know a footballer from a 2 humped camel (see the silvera postings) - yet we are to be led by the nose by their wisdom and insight - i doubt most couldn't light a candle safely or know how to wipe their own @rses correctly.

Gibbos ambition is still there, his drive is still there and his support for boro is still there - i dont doubt it one little bit and there is literally no one i would rather have at the helm.

i'm backing Steve Gibson - the most reasoned and loyal football chairman in English football.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
we have this fractious series of posts everytime the boro are on a losing streak.

the same posters say the same things over and over and over again - and then have the audacity to cite gibson as the one who is repeating business mistakes.

i asked paulh on one of his gibsob postings, what decisions he thought gibson had got wrong - he couldnt answer till someone else (uncle rico) gave an answer.

indeedido - always consistent and i respect him for that - but come on, 'one of the 4' - name him and perhaps we can see why this person may or may not have said that - as we see everyday on this board, bitter men say bitter things.

people with no 'success' in any field, sector or life bawling into their pobs - its baffling as to what they think they have - most wouldnt know a footballer from a 2 humped camel (see the silvera postings) - yet we are to be led by the nose by their wisdom and insight - i doubt most couldn't light a candle safely or know how to wipe their own @rses correctly.

Gibbos ambition is still there, his drive is still there and his support for boro is still there - i dont doubt it one little bit and there is literally no one i would rather have at the helm.

i'm backing Steve Gibson - the most reasoned and loyal football chairman in English football.
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Okay Steve.
 
1finny said:
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I'm not sure about this Col. He has certainly said he wants to - sounds a bit like he's learning from others tho
If you say it, people believe it. File under '40 new hospitals'
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Yeah I get your drift. I merely meant more from the financial side of things, Haemorrhaging millions can’t be an easy process to continue with and other than a white knight coming over the horizon, a promotion to the PL is his only hope to recover some losses.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
i asked paulh on one of his gibsob postings, what decisions he thought gibson had got wrong - he couldnt answer till someone else (uncle rico) gave an answer.
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Southgate appointment,
Strachan appointment,
Not backing Karanka in the January window,
Agnew appointment,
Monk appointment,
Pulis appointment,
Woodgate appointment,
Flip flopping from one style of manager to the other, leading to the club having to change the majority of the players,
Overseeing the current period where we've gone from playoff contenders to bottom of the division,
All the above while interfering in recruitment and charging some of the highest prices in the division.
 
I do as he is our number 1 fan look back at all the good things he did up to now he has always backed his manager so hopefully he will do the right thing now & make the changes needed.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
we have this fractious series of posts everytime the boro are on a losing streak.

the same posters say the same things over and over and over again - and then have the audacity to cite gibson as the one who is repeating business mistakes.

i asked paulh on one of his gibsob postings, what decisions he thought gibson had got wrong - he couldnt answer till someone else (uncle rico) gave an answer.

indeedido - always consistent and i respect him for that - but come on, 'one of the 4' - name him and perhaps we can see why this person may or may not have said that - as we see everyday on this board, bitter men say bitter things.

people with no 'success' in any field, sector or life bawling into their pobs - its baffling as to what they think they have - most wouldnt know a footballer from a 2 humped camel (see the silvera postings) - yet we are to be led by the nose by their wisdom and insight - i doubt most couldn't light a candle safely or know how to wipe their own @rses correctly.

Gibbos ambition is still there, his drive is still there and his support for boro is still there - i dont doubt it one little bit and there is literally no one i would rather have at the helm.

i'm backing Steve Gibson - the most reasoned and loyal football chairman in English football.
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You are not alone in your. thoughts although it seems numbers supporting him have dwindled significantly in a sea of frustration and disappointment.

He has been one of the great owner benefactors in English football like Dave Whelan, Jack Walker and Jack Hayward were for their hometown clubs. The first two left and a decline in the club's fortunes ensued with their departure. The danger is we could go exactly the same way. We would need a buyer as Hayward found at Wolves that would invest and not merely asset strip. Seems there are many who want to take that gamble now.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
we have this fractious series of posts everytime the boro are on a losing streak.

the same posters say the same things over and over and over again - and then have the audacity to cite gibson as the one who is repeating business mistakes.

i asked paulh on one of his gibsob postings, what decisions he thought gibson had got wrong - he couldnt answer till someone else (uncle rico) gave an answer.

indeedido - always consistent and i respect him for that - but come on, 'one of the 4' - name him and perhaps we can see why this person may or may not have said that - as we see everyday on this board, bitter men say bitter things.

people with no 'success' in any field, sector or life bawling into their pobs - its baffling as to what they think they have - most wouldnt know a footballer from a 2 humped camel (see the silvera postings) - yet we are to be led by the nose by their wisdom and insight - i doubt most couldn't light a candle safely or know how to wipe their own @rses correctly.

Gibbos ambition is still there, his drive is still there and his support for boro is still there - i dont doubt it one little bit and there is literally no one i would rather have at the helm.

i'm backing Steve Gibson - the most reasoned and loyal football chairman in English football.
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You are not alone in your. thoughts although it seems numbers supporting him have dwindled significantly in a sea of frustration and disappointment.

He has been one of the great owner benefactors in English football like Dave Whelan, Jack Walker and Jack Hayward were for their hometown clubs. The first two left and a decline in the clubs' fortunes ensued with their departure. The danger is we could go exactly the same way. We would need a buyer as Hayward found at Wolves that would invest and not merely asset strip. Seems there are many who want to take that gamble now.
 
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