Conspiracy theorists

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Why? None of the things you have said are grand conspiracies.
Dodgy dossier - that's just Blair spinning a security document to send us to war. Him and Alistair Campbell are the only ones required to cook that up.

A grand conspiracy is one which requires many people to be complicit, such as huge sections of the scientific community for the moon landings.
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The dodgy dossier fails the grand conspiracy categorisation for two reasons. It was a very small number and it wasn’t kept secret.
 
Come on Plaz, get involved!!

Back on topic, aren’t some conspiracy theories deliberately cooked up and put out there by foreign governments to sew doubt, confusion and ultimately mistrust of a government, among it’s general population? Much the same way fake news is used by Russia (and us, the States, China etc)
Fake news is the new conspiracy theory?
 
Lefty said:
That’s a bit clearer, thanks.

So the growing opinion and information being revealed is that actually this is looking like extra terrestrial origin and of an advanced technology?
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Don't go riding the bull yet .... the words "extra terrestrial" haven't been explicity used by all of the people talking .. some are still being careful of the words they use .. instead .. "not of this world" .. "not something we are capable of manufacturing (or doing)" .. worries that if ".. the Russians or Chinese were to understand this technology first it would give them an advantage" ... inferring "extra terrestrial" if not openly stating.
 
Lefty said:
The dodgy dossier fails the grand conspiracy categorisation for two reasons. It was a very small number and it wasn’t kept secret.
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I'd say the complete destruction of a nation with on going casualties that number in the hundreds of thousands is pretty grand.

I'd also say massively influential people helping a man abuse children (and likely in several instancea participating) over the course of decades is a grand conspiracy.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong because I'm not claiming the world is flat?
 
Q. How many conspiracy theorists does it take to screw in a light bulb?



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A. We may never know the truth.
 
When people talk about conspiracy theorists they are talking about people who believe in versions of events outside of the mainstream. The idea that Blair used intelligence to fight an unnecessary war is mainstream as it gets. His own ministers resigned over it. There have been official inquiries.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'd say the complete destruction of a nation with on going casualties that number in the hundreds of thousands is pretty grand.

I'd also say massively influential people helping a man abuse children (and likely in several instancea participating) over the course of decades is a grand conspiracy.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong because I'm not claiming the world is flat?
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That’s not what you’re doing wrong.
 
The Pentagon put ufo stuff out to distract from Trumps mess God, ufo, ghosts, luminati,Qanon pigsiht and conspiracy tripe is fiction for a laugh, ffs.
 
Below link is a song I like called pygmalism. It's based on the whole Pygmalion/my fair lady/Edward scissorhands myth. Scroll down and read the comments. This started an internet rabbit hole for me one night as I tried to understand what the **** they were on about. MK ultra conspiracy theorists.

 
Soutra said:
Not sure those are good examples. It was clear that John Hinckley shot Reagan. The whole conspiracy about JFK is that it's not clear who shot him. It may have been Oswald, it may have been someone else, it may have been a group.
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A guy called Jesse Curry was the Dallas Chief of Police at the time. He said in an interview with the Dallas Morning News in 1969.

"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand"

The term Conspiracy Theorist was apparently coined by the CIA to counter those who disbelieved and were picking holes in The Warren Commission report on the Kennedy assassination.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Now working as I did at the MODs Global Operations Security Control Centre, you might imagine that I would have been a little bit involved in something like that in some small way.
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That's exactly what a government stooge would say though isn't it?



*dons tin foil hat*
 
Ziggy said:
A guy called Jesse Curry was the Dallas Chief of Police at the time. He said in an interview with the Dallas Morning News in 1969.

"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand"

The term Conspiracy Theorist was apparently coined by the CIA to counter those who disbelieved and were picking holes in The Warren Commission report on the Kennedy assassination.
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JFK conspiracy given the right treatment here

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_roo...the-skeptics-got-it-wrong-and-why-it-matters/
 
Ziggy said:
A guy called Jesse Curry was the Dallas Chief of Police at the time. He said in an interview with the Dallas Morning News in 1969.

"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand"

The term Conspiracy Theorist was apparently coined by the CIA to counter those who disbelieved and were picking holes in The Warren Commission report on the Kennedy assassination.
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Jesse Curry - the archetypal useless American cop, who was peddling his book at the time.

As the Skeptic article points out, the conspiracy theory are based on the perceptions of a very small number of people. The vast majority of witnesses thought there were three or fewer shots.

We probably will never know for sure what happened in Dallas, but Occam's Razor would suggest it was Oswald, and Oswald alone that shot JFK.
 
Lefty said:
The dodgy dossier fails the grand conspiracy categorisation for two reasons. It was a very small number and it wasn’t kept secret.
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Surely the DD wasn't meant to be kept secret because it was the tool which made the conspiracy possible. There were more people involved because the plan involved the withdrawal of weapons inspectors.
 
The pizzagate theory is one of the biggest going round at the moment, and to be honest, probably the most believable. Given what we've learnt about Epstein, Maxwell and Prince Andrew, makes you think there's a lot (and I mean a lot) going on that no one knows about. All those retracted names from the court releases last week, for example.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
The pizzagate theory is one of the biggest going round at the moment, and to be honest, probably the most believable. Given what we've learnt about Epstein, Maxwell and Prince Andrew, makes you think there's a lot (and I mean a lot) going on that no one knows about. All those retracted names from the court releases last week, for example.
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I went down that rabbit hole during the lockdown. It's a very deep one. Would make a fantastic movie. If it was ever proven to be correct I genuinely don't think people would be able to cope with it.
I don't believe it for the record, way too many moving parts to that theory to be true.
Certain parts to theory have turned out to be true loosely though.
 
RandySavage said:
I went down that rabbit hole during the lockdown. It's a very deep one. Would make a fantastic movie. If it was ever proven to be correct I genuinely don't think people would be able to cope with it.
I don't believe it for the record, way too many moving parts to that theory to be true.
Certain parts to theory have turned out to be true loosely though.
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I did the same but a couple weeks ago... ended up analysing some Justin Bieber and Avicii music videos on YouTube after reading a Reddit post...

These two in particular:

Justin Bieber - Yummy (Official Video) - lots of references in this to food, old men, guy who looks like Podesta, children being the entertainment to powerful people, the red dress of the girl being next to Podesta lookalike at the end, baby photo of Bieber at the end underneath the plate.

Avicii - For a Better Day (Official Video) - basically a story about child traffickers getting their comeuppance.
 
changingman said:
Whilst I'm generally guided by logic and science I do find the whole subject of conspiracy theories endlessly interesting. There's probably a cracking psychology doctorate just waiting to be written on this subject (already has been?)

I do find the rationale of conspiracy theories fascinating - built to fill a void in the "unexplained", politically motivated or events at odds with one's own world view. I think the point re: government above is valid - we have two political machines either side of the pond currently very good at directing/commanding but incredibly poor at given any reasoned thinking for their actions - perhaps conspiracies fill that gap?
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Slightly off topic but also slightly related, in 2014 I got talking to a rather fetching young Russian wench who was a tour guide on one of the Moscow doubledecker tour buses and who had done her dissertation on football hooliganism with the English variety figuring prominently. In fact, we got on so well she let me go around the second time free - not that I saw very much. She was too busy telling me all sorts of hoolie-related stuff for that.
 
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