Conspiracy theorists

wilkos_perm said:
Someone did some mathematical modelling a few years ago around the probability of a conspiracy being successfully concealed, mainly factoring the numbers of people being complicit and keeping it a secret. Christ knows how many would have to be involved in a pandemic conspiracy. Obviously these calcs would have to include a number of big assumptions, but vaguely interesting anyway
https://www.theguardian.com/science...e-calculations-for-keeping-conspiracies-quiet
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I'd doubt you'd need large numbers for most types of conspiracies.

It's the psychology of compliance really people are very self policing, myself included.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'd doubt you'd need large numbers for most types of conspiracies.

It's the psychology of compliance really people are very self policing, myself included.
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It is the grand conspiracies that fall foul of the maths.
 
The advent of social media has enabled communication on a scale that is hard to comprehend, but with that comes the ability for easily shared disinformation too.

Add to that the crisis of confidence in our politicians and press and its not hard to understand why the crack pot conspiracies gain an audience.

And to think these people have a vote!
 
Lefty said:
It is the grand conspiracies that fall foul of the maths.
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You say that but let's look at a few examples...

Jimmy Saville - not till long after his death did things come out about him, afterwards it was expressed to be 'common knowledge' at the BBC. To date 0 people have gone to prison.

Dodgy dossier - went to war with Iraq somewhere around 500,000-1,000,000 casualties. To date 0 people have gone to prison

Jeffrey Epstein - nothing happened to him for decades of systematic abuse. Deals and coverups were done on his behalf aswell as the likelihood of him acquiring children for others.. To date 1 person imprisoned (Epstein himself) who then commited suicide.

And also what about the Panama paper's for instance... - 0 people in prison, 0 investigation results and one of the main journalists to report on the issue was killed in a car bomb - no one arrested for her murder
 
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I am still working out the moon landings one, its too early for others :eek:

I remember someone saying something like ‘People are animals that look for patterns and it’s part of our DNA. Which is why conspiracy theories and religions in particular are so popular. We are always looking for wider explanations and often they’re just not there, but once thought of they become out there’
 
Remember a few weeks before the lockdown, everyone had a mate in the army who told them they were due to patrol the streets to keep people inside.
 
Lefty said:
For clarification, do you mean the Pentagon and Senate Committees tend to think they aren't something belonging to a foreign nation on earth? Or you tend to think that?
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Lefty. If you're looking for something .. i suggest you do your own research .. this story has been brewing for a few years now .. there's plenty of info out there surrounding it.
 
JM14 said:
Remember a few weeks before the lockdown, everyone had a mate in the army who told them they were due to patrol the streets to keep people inside.
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The Para`s have been trained for many years to operate on the streets.
Riot training isnt just an elite pastime in the military.(y)
 
Rauko said:
Lefty. If you're looking for something .. i suggest you do your own research .. this story has been brewing for a few years now .. there's plenty of info out there surrounding it.
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I’m only trying to understand if the opinion you cite is the opinion of the committees or an interpretation by you or others. I might look at it, this will help me narrow my search if I do.
 
coluka said:
I am still working out the moon landings one, its too early for others :eek:

I remember someone saying something like ‘People are animals that look for patterns and it’s part of our DNA. Which is why conspiracy theories and religions in particular are so popular. We are always looking for wider explanations and often they’re just not there, but once thought of they become out there’
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We do look for patterns and construct narratives. It’s a survival advantage, but it leaves us prone to inventing stories that aren’t really there and then afterwards we become comfortable with them because they suit our world view and shedding them causes cognitive dissonance, so we find it hard. See also political choices.
 
Alvez_48 said:
You say that but let's look at a few examples...

Jimmy Saville - not till long after his death did things come out about him, afterwards it was expressed to be 'common knowledge' at the BBC. To date 0 people have gone to prison.

Dodgy dossier - went to war with Iraq somewhere around 500,000-1,000,000 casualties. To date 0 people have gone to prison

Jeffrey Epstein - nothing happened to him for decades of systematic abuse. Deals and coverups were done on his behalf aswell as the likelihood of him acquiring children for others.. To date 1 person imprisoned (Epstein himself) who then commited suicide.

And also what about the Panama paper's for instance... - 0 people in prison, 0 investigation results and one of the main journalists to report on the issue was killed in a car bomb - no one arrested for her murder
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These don’t fall into the grand conspiracy category.
 
Lefty said:
I’m only trying to understand if the opinion you cite is the opinion of the committees or an interpretation by you or others. I might look at it, this will help me narrow my search if I do.
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And as I say - there's been a lot of info dropped over the last 2 or 3 years on this .. but, it's not my opinion, it's the "opinion" of those involved in the various research projects, those who've briefed the senate committees, those who've consulted for the pentagon, those senators (current and former) who've sat on those committees etc etc ..

The point is : A lot more people in those influential positions have, over the last couple of years, been talking more openly about it
 
Alvez_48 said:
Oh right, really? That's a pretty horrific thing to say to be honest pal.
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Why? None of the things you have said are grand conspiracies.
Dodgy dossier - that's just Blair spinning a security document to send us to war. Him and Alistair Campbell are the only ones required to cook that up.

A grand conspiracy is one which requires many people to be complicit, such as huge sections of the scientific community for the moon landings.
 
Rauko said:
And as I say - there's been a lot of info dropped over the last 2 or 3 years on this .. but, it's not my opinion, it's the "opinion" of those involved in the various research projects, those who've briefed the senate committees, those who've consulted for the pentagon, those senators (current and former) who've sat on those committees etc etc ..

The point is : A lot more people in those influential positions have, over the last couple of years, been talking more openly about it
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That’s a bit clearer, thanks.

So the growing opinion and information being revealed is that actually this is looking like extra terrestrial origin and of an advanced technology?
 
dooderooni said:
I remember a John Oliver episode on conspiracy theories and he used the example of the assassination of Kennedy and the attempted assassination of Reagan as examples.
Due to the outcomes of each it is hypothesised that the conspiracy behind the Kennedy assassination is a result of trying to explain a huge incident in an unexplained world. Had Reagan died then the accepted situation of a random shooter making an attempt on his life might have attracted conspiracy theories in the same way as Kennedy's did.
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Not sure those are good examples. It was clear that John Hinckley shot Reagan. The whole conspiracy about JFK is that it's not clear who shot him. It may have been Oswald, it may have been someone else, it may have been a group.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
Never known as many conspiracy theorists around social media etc as there currently are.
Friends and even a family member of mine are perpetually posting about how covid, banks, television news, vaccines, royalty etc are all forms of government control over the population.

Illuminati, Rothschilds, lizard people, David Icke. 🙄🥱🥱

And they all allude to the fact that they have this secret knowlege that sets them above 'the sheeple'.
Personally I don't really think I could spend my day desperately searching for any kind of clandestine and outrageous plots by real world Bond villains to control the populace.

Think I preferred it when it was just about the Apollo moon landings.
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Well technically the royal family are part of controlling people, there isn't really any conspiracy to that. Be it the PR side which is used for manipulating the masses or the royal family access to and involvement in political machinations. But yeah, the rest is nonsense.
 
Soutra said:
Not sure those are good examples. It was clear that John Hinckley shot Reagan. The whole conspiracy about JFK is that it's not clear who shot him. It may have been Oswald, it may have been someone else, it may have been a group.
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It's spot on, people don't want to accept that a lone gunman could kill the president, it's too big and important to comprehend, if he had wounded JFK, then people would have accepted Oswald as a lone gunman.

But if Hinckley had killed Reagan the importance of the event would have driven conspiracies.
 
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