jonny_greenings_sock
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Yes it happened once didn’t it, someone started after a sub with 12 men?
Carricks refusal to change system
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jonny_greenings_sock
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On Carrick: have to say I think it’s fair enough that he doesn’t want to tear it up after 5 games of the season, shocking as we have been.
Since we’ve got a super professional brilliant recruitment approach now and a golden thread you’d hope that all the players have been signed to fit the manager’s system as part of our brilliant long term masterplan.
In truth it’s individual performances, the system was great last season when we were bossing it.
My worry that I promise I’ll stop banging on about one day is that the system was Akpom. The system is built around a number 10, and at number 10 he was our best player, best creative player, best goalscoring season in 25 years, made the whole team tick and probably the best player in the league. Eight million quid in the bank is nice but 100 million for promotion is nicer, and you’re not going to replace that with a kid from Blackpool. Same story for the creativity from full back.
Since we’ve got a super professional brilliant recruitment approach now and a golden thread you’d hope that all the players have been signed to fit the manager’s system as part of our brilliant long term masterplan.
In truth it’s individual performances, the system was great last season when we were bossing it.
My worry that I promise I’ll stop banging on about one day is that the system was Akpom. The system is built around a number 10, and at number 10 he was our best player, best creative player, best goalscoring season in 25 years, made the whole team tick and probably the best player in the league. Eight million quid in the bank is nice but 100 million for promotion is nicer, and you’re not going to replace that with a kid from Blackpool. Same story for the creativity from full back.
Sergio
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Akpom wouldnt have been able to stop this rot
Magic Man
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I don't think we need to change the formation per say, for me it's more about the personnel we are putting in each position.
When everybody is fit, this is what I would go with...
Dieng
Dijksteel Fry Lenihan Banguara
Howson O'Brien
Lath Hackney McGree
Forss
-Lath is getting into great spaces and has plenty of energy, but he's also sh*tting himself in front of goal, so why not swap him and Forss, who is clearly the better finisher?
-Howson and O'Brien would give us a solid foundation. Both are capable of breaking up the play and protecting the currently very leaky defense. Both are also more than capable of driving forward and getting back.
-Give Hackney the license to roam with the ball, rather than having to think as much about his defensive duties. Howson and O'Brien are better than him at that anyway.
-Dijksteel can get up and down which gives us a decent outlet on the right hand side.
When everybody is fit, this is what I would go with...
Dieng
Dijksteel Fry Lenihan Banguara
Howson O'Brien
Lath Hackney McGree
Forss
-Lath is getting into great spaces and has plenty of energy, but he's also sh*tting himself in front of goal, so why not swap him and Forss, who is clearly the better finisher?
-Howson and O'Brien would give us a solid foundation. Both are capable of breaking up the play and protecting the currently very leaky defense. Both are also more than capable of driving forward and getting back.
-Give Hackney the license to roam with the ball, rather than having to think as much about his defensive duties. Howson and O'Brien are better than him at that anyway.
-Dijksteel can get up and down which gives us a decent outlet on the right hand side.
Caesium137
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Whilst I get your point, isn't this exactly what Carrick has effectively done?
lostinyorkshire
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Fry right back.? hes bad enough where he is.
But it does beg the question as to why we have gone the whole aummer without sorting a rb. Smith while solid should have been improved upon and Dijksteel clearly isnt fancied.
We have walked into this problem and we only have ourselves to blame. Feel sorry for VDB came here hoping to have a breakthrough season and he is being showhorned into RB ffs.
OBrian as a left forward was a ridiculous situation. Also hope im proved wrong but the 2 left backs are not exactly filling me with confidence.
Lose tonight and it could turn on Satda.
#utb
uncle_rico
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Carrick won't change the system, and I'm sure we'll see the likes of Crooks and Silvera start tonight.
If we are going to stick with 4-2-3-1 I'd like to see...
.................Dieng
Mcnair...Fry...Lenihan...Engel
......Hackney...O'Brien
Forss...Greenwood...McGree
...................Coburn
If we are going to stick with 4-2-3-1 I'd like to see...
.................Dieng
Mcnair...Fry...Lenihan...Engel
......Hackney...O'Brien
Forss...Greenwood...McGree
...................Coburn
Lottowyn
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Seems logical but when do Boro do logics?
Good luck tonight to Michael Carrick and Boro. Never mind BBC and Newcastle, this really is a vital game.
I like the front 6 in this and think that would be worth a try. The defence looks weak as p1ss.
I would probably try VDB in for Fry. He can't really do much worse. Let's just give him a run of games.
I would have Smith in for McNair. McNair has a mistake in him every time he plays.
Engel looks a dud but probably needs to play until Bangura is fit.
viv_andersons_nana
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It’s an interesting debate. When do principles become stubbornness? When does using different systems become chopping and changing? Probably after 3 games without a win these days. It used to be longer.
It's ok the board intelligencia told me quite forcefully that we didn't need a right back 6 weeks ago.
Honestly right now I'd do a better job of managing the club. I stuck my neck on the line and was called crazy and foolish but I was incredibly on the money.
Well 11 league games without a win or 2 wins in 16 is enough to know something isn't working.
Like others have said, we are predictable. Teams know exactly how to set up against us.
Can we say an entire pre-season, the **** end of last season and all of this season is long enough to suggest it's stubbornness?
newyddion
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The form runs back into last season. If some people want to ignore that, it's up to them. But it's a fact.
Yes there's been a big change in players, but it goes back to being predictable. We were worked out at the back end of last season and we've done nothing to change it. The fact we are more toothless now and don't have those players with the extra quality has compounded the problem.
Derby_Red
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yeahDaft question. Does the ref count the number of players at the start of the match to stop a team sneaking an extra one on
same happens in darts when someone attempts an 8-dart finish
it's like anything, whether we are winning or losing.
if we are losing it's square pegs in round holes, if we are winning it's a tactical masterstroke.
Laughing
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Yeah but Alvez, you are crazy!
