Can the UK rejoin the EU?

[SmallTown]

I'm genuinely confued by the @Lottowyn types in this country. What are they possible seeing that we aren't? Thinking we have a good deal from brexit seems to fly in the face of every opinion piece, every economic fact, every measure, whether it's quality of life, passport strength, ability to do business. Whatever. All seem to have been donwgraded since brexit started.
Hopefully he'll be able to supply factual answers to why he is right and 2 thirds of the country are not. It genuinely baffles me so hopefully the brexiters will have facts to help clarify

 

[WJH.]

Let's be honest the Tories didn't keep their manifesto promises to level up and reduce immigration

It's why the leave vote collapsed about 2 years ago.

Labour do appear to have plans to reduce immigration and train workers as well as a commitment to staying outside the EU the Single Market and Customs union

If you're not happy, vote in a different party. It's that simple

 

[SmallTown]

Let's be honest the Tories didn't keep their manifesto promises to level up and reduce immigration

It's why the leave vote collapsed about 2 years ago.

Labour do appear to have plans to reduce immigration and train workers as well as a commitment to staying outside the EU the Single Market and Customs union

If you're not happy, vote in a different party. It's that simple

I don't think it is with the EU. No major party is touching rejoin, no matter how obvious it is that should happen

 

[GingerTravel]

In my main job I work in a large financial organisation, neither headquartered in the UK or the EU, so the company can put staff where it likes. Before Brexit, we had around 15,000 people in the UK and perhaps 3,000 in the EU, but certainly less than 500 in both France and Germany. Everything was passported out from the UK. After Brexit, the EU regulators insisted that the named senior person on the deal was based in the EU. Cue about 1,000-1,500 people moving from London to France and Germany. New staff were mainly hired in the EU too. Not an enormous percentage, and plenty left in the UK, but significant for sure. Most of those people were at the highest end of the earnings spectrum, so we're probably talking about £50million in lost tax revenue just from employees, before we even think about the company revenues.

And that's one company.

 

[WJH.]

In my main job I work in a large financial organisation, neither headquartered in the UK or the EU, so the company can put staff where it likes. Before Brexit, we had around 15,000 people in the UK and perhaps 3,000 in the EU, but certainly less than 500 in both France and Germany. Everything was passported out from the UK. After Brexit, the EU regulators insisted that the named senior person on the deal was based in the EU. Cue about 1,000-1,500 people moving from London to France and Germany. New staff were mainly hired in the EU too. Not an enormous percentage, and plenty left in the UK, but significant for sure. Most of those people were at the highest end of the earnings spectrum, so we're probably talking about £50million in lost tax revenue just from employees, before we even think about the company revenues.

And that's one company.

There's apparently 7000 jobs that have moved since Brexit and that's divided by 400 firms

I can't find any record of 1000 - 15000 staff from a single company moving

But that would also mean 1 out of 5 jobs that have shifted came from your company

And what company had expanded since covid which was when we left in 2019

What's the company?

 

[GingerTravel]

There's apparently 7000 jobs that have moved since Brexit and that's divided by 400 firms

I can't find any record of 1000 - 15000 staff from a single company moving

But that would also mean 1 out of 5 jobs that have shifted came from your company

And what company had expanded since covid which was when we left in 2019

What's the company?

While I'm not prepared to post the name of the company on a football forum, I'm posting below an example of a company in the same industry who I am aware have also shifted a large number of staff to EU locations.

I think the 7,000 is a gross underestimate. Depending on the source, if accurate it might be the number of people who have actually moved as a result of Brexit. However, it can't include the much larger hidden attrition (someone leaves in London, you hire their replacement in Luxembourg etc.) because that figure would be many times higher.

JPMorgan triples staff in EU hubs to 4,100

Brexit has shifted how large investment banks recruit for their European operations

www.fnlondon.com

 

[WJH.]

While I'm not prepared to post the name of the company on a football forum, I'm posting below an example of a company in the same industry who I am aware have also shifted a large number of staff to EU locations.

I think the 7,000 is a gross underestimate. Depending on the source, if accurate it might be the number of people who have actually moved as a result of Brexit. However, it can't include the much larger hidden attrition (someone leaves in London, you hire their replacement in Luxembourg etc.) because that figure would be many times higher.

JPMorgan triples staff in EU hubs to 4,100

Brexit has shifted how large investment banks recruit for their European operations

www.fnlondon.com

Your company accounts for 1/5 of staff relocations

It's hardly going to be a secret that one firm is responsible for 1 in 5 staff relocations

Unless it's not true

Which part of the EU are you posting from now?

 

[GingerTravel]

Your company accounts for 1/5 of staff relocations

It's hardly going to be a secret that one firm is responsible for 1 in 5 staff relocations

Unless it's not true

Which part of the EU are you posting from now?

It isn't true, I agree. There's no way one company is responsible for 1/5 of jobs moving out of the UK. In fact, if we accept the article above is true, then JP Morgan would also be accountable for around 2/5, leaving 2/5 for all the other companies, which is plainly nonsense.

Unfortunately for the UK, that means the part that isn't true is that only 7,000 jobs have been moved to the EU. What's the source for that?

 

[WJH.]

It isn't true, I agree. There's no way one company is responsible for 1/5 of jobs moving out of the UK. In fact, if we accept the article above is true, then JP Morgan would also be accountable for around 2/5, leaving 2/5 for all the other companies, which is plainly nonsense.

Unfortunately for the UK, that means the part that isn't true is that only 7,000 jobs have been moved to the EU. What's the source for that?

Where in the EU are you posting from?

You seem to be spreading fake news.

 

[newusername]

Where in the EU are you posting from?

Before Brexit, we had around 15,000 people in the UK and perhaps 3,000 in the EU.
After Brexit, ... Cue about 1,000-1,500 people moving from London to France and Germany. New staff were mainly hired in the EU too.
Not an enormous percentage, and plenty left in the UK

They could be in the EU or be one of c.13k left in the UK.

I don't think their present location validates or invalidates their comments about the company's business decision to relocate business from the UK to the EU post-Brexit.

 

[Blf]

I would happily have another vote. If that vote was positive for rejoining I would be happy to do that. Not really bothered if that is with the £ or the €.
I think rejoining would make life better for the younger generations of my family.

 

[WJH.]

They could be in the EU or be one of c.13k left in the UK.

I don't think their present location validates or invalidates their comments about the company's business decision to relocate business from the UK to the EU post-Brexit.

What you're saying goes against official statistics

If Brexit is so bad why are you literally lying and spreading fake news.

Sounds like Project fear to me

So again which company and where in the EU are you posting from?

 

[WJH.]

I would happily have another vote. If that vote was positive for rejoining I would be happy to do that. Not really bothered if that is with the £ or the €.
I think rejoining would make life better for the younger generations of my family.

Blf,

Corbyn was your opportunity to remain but you didn't vote for him

You can vote for Starmer who has ruled out re-joining the EU, single market and customs union

But just don't be surprised at the outcome

 

[newusername]

What you're saying goes against official statistics

If Brexit is so bad why are you literally lying and spreading fake news.

Sounds like Project fear to me

So again which company and where in the EU are you posting from?

I'm not saying it, it was the other poster.

"Official stats say 7,000 jobs" I think that is about 18 months out of date and only covers finance, and a front house job based in london actually transferring directly to the EU.

Since 2019 Dublin has added approx 15,000 jobs in Finance, which kinda corresponds with the posters comment that:

New staff were mainly hired in the EU too.

 

[WJH.]

I'm not saying it, it was the other poster.

"Official stats say 7,000 jobs" I think that is about 18 months out of date and only covers finance, and a front house job based in london actually transferring directly to the EU.

Since 2019 Dublin has added approx 15,000 jobs in Finance, which kinda corresponds with the posters comment that:

Really

Just stop lying.

Why even bother lying?

You probably don't live in the North East and what do you want me to do vote Labour who are opposed to rejoining the EU

What are you actually aiming to achieve you absolute melt?

 

[newusername]

Really

Just stop lying.

Why even bother lying?

You probably don't live in the North East and what do you want me to do vote Labour who are opposed to rejoining the EU

I do live in the north east. Had a bit of snow underfoot as I went about my business today. How about you?

 

[WJH.]

I do live in the north east. Had a bit of snow underfoot as I went about my business today. How about you?

And yet you're sticking up for an imaginary company that fired all these imaginary workers

When you're on the side of fake news you probably should be quiet

 

[FishofContemplation]

It seems a standard, often repeated "lie" Ok, not a lie but not a whole truth. Sweden have been obliged to join the Euro for 30 years and simply haven't. They aren't going to get kicked out. Similarly I have a pocket full of Danish Krone right now that suggests losing our precious sterling is just not a thing. It IS a requirement of joining but as Scandanivia have taught us, you don't have to rush!

Denmark has an opt out so that’s a bit of a red herring. Sweden though, you are right, doesn’t. It is merely taking forever to do what it is technically obliged to do eventually.

There is absolutely no legal reason why either legal solution could not be adopted for a rejoining UK, although there may be plenty of political reasons why either legal solution would not be palatable to the existing member states.

 

[newusername]

And yet you're sticking up for an imaginary company that fired all these imaginary workers

When you're on the side of fake news you probably should be quiet

Please quote where he said people had been fired.

If only you'd have done "your own research" before coming on here all triggered, you wouldn't be spouting out of date information that only looks at 1 part of 1 sector as though it was law for every business for ever more.

 

[WJH.]

Please quote where he said people had been fired.

If only you'd have done "your own research" before coming on here all triggered, you wouldn't be spouting out of date information that only looks at 1 part of 1 sector as though it was law for every business for ever more.

He said 1000 - 1500 workers were moved to Europe

I'm sorry but this event never happened so they were never sacked or moved

you're defending an imaginary event

Or you can prove it did happen

Your move