Can the UK rejoin the EU?

The structural and political pressures mean the UK will rejoin at some point in the 2030s.

It's become fundamentally clear that the alternative isn't working and isn't going to work.

The EU would happily welcome a large economy, member of the P5 and with the UK's soft and hard diplomatic power. 2016 temper tantrums and all.

It's just a waiting game now.
 
Scrote said:
But isn't the reason you've been let down because you were misled?

If you hadn't been misled you wouldn't have expected a result that was impossible to deliver.
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No. I do believe a deal could have been done that would have worked for both the EU and us but a complete lack of ability by those in power, coupled with the self interest of the right wing types of JRM ilk and the ERG, prevented it from happening. Ergo, let down rather than misled. I voted based on my view in relation to certain aspects of where I believe EU is headed (European one nation superstate) which I think is unworkable ultimately (I am yet to be placated re this but and prepared to concede that perhaps I overstated my fears in this direction of travel of the EU in my own mind a little) and also on the belief (mistaken) belief that those in power knew what they were doing and would put aside petty party politics to bring together a dedicated cross party team, made up political leaders, competent cabinet and shadow cabinet MPs etc, aswell as experts in their fields (negotiators, business leaders, legal experts, and so on etc etc) in order to get the deal done - they subsequently proved to be entirely incapable of doing this (both sides of the house) and incapable of any forethought or necessary acumen and proceeded act like squabbling children rather than statesmen ultimately leading to the current cabal getting in and driving for the hardest of hard brexits to benefit their select few, and who have ultimately destroyed our reputation in the world and ruined the prospects of the majority of the populace and society which they have utterly divided and trashed and robbed from and disenfranchised and flicked the v’s at.

Anyway, as said, I have no real desire to go over it all again other than to say I would vote differently if asked again, but I hope that quick paragraph answers your question. I could write a lot more detail but that is the nub of it.

Chees
 
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Leaving the EU was like withdrawing from the Euros to play friendlies against Australia. Perhaps if Remain had put across a simple message like that, we wouldn't be where we are (especially as it was Euro 2016 at the time). Unfortunately, the quality of the debate was even worse than my analogy above!
 
GingerTravel said:
Leaving the EU was like withdrawing from the Euros to play friendlies against Australia. Perhaps if Remain had put across a simple message like that, we wouldn't be where we are (especially as it was Euro 2016 at the time). Unfortunately, the quality of the debate was even worse than my analogy above!
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Yes I think Britain was caught out with timing in the few years leading up to the Brexit vote. This was a unique time in politics that will hopefully pass soon but unfortunately the Brexit vote was caught up in the middle of it.
I think with hindsight Britain was caught out by the sudden explosion of populism in politics. Suddenly post financial crisis leaders were those who could shout the loudest or make the most outrageous comments, shock and awe mud-slinging replaced debate, stupid 3 word slogans everywhere, the explosion of social media fanning it & making for instant gratification, fake news pushed hard by vested interests (domestic tax dodgers and anti-UK overseas players), news agencies panicking on the rise of this exciting social sharing format and competing with quick grabs and pushing controversy & panic to get eyeballs back.
Looking back this was all new at the time and any serious debate on Brexit just never happened. I guess the sensible people just thought it was a stupid idea that wouldn't get up and were caught out. Others who were worried were just drowned out by the shouting. I guess many politicians were just deer in the headlights at what hit them.
It would be good to clear out this generation of politicians, mature the general understanding of social media BS and get some boring sensible adults back in parliament with deeper & researched debate - that's what they're paid for after all.
 
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BMW E34 said:
Every year on paddy's day we send government ministers around the world to bring companies to ireland that cant happen now unless the EU gives it the green light.
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Pretty sure that's untrue. EU trade laws mean member countries can't make separate trade deals with other countries. I can't see where that would stop individual companies from setting up shop in Ireland.

For instance, according to the site below, dozens of foreign companies operate in Ireland.

FDI COMPANIES IN IRELAND

And this one states that:

Ireland has been internationally recognised as the best country in the world for ease of doing business.
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IDA Ireland - what we do

Neither of these sites mentions any EU restrictions on foreign companies operating in Ireland.

So can you give any examples of companies not being allowed to operate there?
 
Boro said:
Yes I think Britain was caught out with timing in the few years leading up to the Brexit vote. This was a unique time in politics that will hopefully pass soon but unfortunately the Brexit vote was caught up in the middle of it.
I think with hindsight Britain was caught out by the sudden explosion of populism in politics. Suddenly post financial crisis leaders were those who could shout the loudest or make the most outrageous comments, shock and awe mud-slinging replaced debate, stupid 3 word slogans everywhere, the explosion of social media fanning it & making for instant gratification, fake news pushed hard by vested interests (domestic tax dodgers and anti-UK overseas players), news agencies panicking on the rise of this exciting social sharing format and competing with quick grabs and pushing controversy & panic to get eyeballs back.
Looking back this was all new at the time and any serious debate on Brexit just never happened. I guess the sensible people just thought it was a stupid idea that wouldn't get up and were caught out. Others who were worried were just drowned out by the shouting. I guess many politicians were just deer in the headlights at what hit them.
It would be good to clear out this generation of politicians, mature the general understanding of social media BS and get some boring sensible adults back in parliament with deeper & researched debate - that's what they're paid for after all.
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So very well put!
The extreme rhetoric political parties have to use these days didn't serve us, just helps people get elected.
I wish we could go back to a time of boring politics. Old statesmen talking about dull but important stuff
 
Liamo said:
Pretty sure that's untrue. EU trade laws mean member countries can't make separate trade deals with other countries. I can't see where that would stop individual companies from setting up shop in Ireland.

For instance, according to the site below, dozens of foreign companies operate in Ireland.

FDI COMPANIES IN IRELAND

And this one states that:



IDA Ireland - what we do

Neither of these sites mentions any EU restrictions on foreign companies operating in Ireland.

So can you give any examples of companies not being allowed to operate there?
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Third best officially! But yes you're correct it seems beemer is either misunderstanding or miss quoting the situation. Ireland seems to be the best place in the western hemisphere to have a business
 
equaliser said:
People assume this, but has it ever been stated?
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It's a condition of joining for a new member. There's always the potential for some wriggle room re 'new', but I can't see unanimity from the existing members on special treatment for the UK.
 
Yes. And it’s the logical conclusion to this mess.
However, the deal we’ll get won’t be anywhere near as positive as previously.
We also won’t have the influence or number of seats in the decision making processes.
We had it the best of all European countries. And threw it away.
 
JackG said:
It's a condition of joining for a new member. There's always the potential for some wriggle room re 'new', but I can't see unanimity from the existing members on special treatment for the UK.
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There is no chance of the Poles, Czechs or Hungarians joining the Euro.

There won't be treaty change, but the EU won't expend any political capital in getting the UK to adopt a currency that it doesn't want. Also, I doubt the Franco-German axis in the EU want the UK having a say on monetary policy.
 
homesickblues said:
Joining the EU would likely need another referendum.
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Yes, but I think the process should change.

I voted remain & felt/feel completely disenfranchised that 16.1m votes were ignored, all that "the people have spoken" bullsh1t because an extra 1.2m voted leave, and we ended up with the hardest of hard Brexits something that had been pooh-poohed before the vote and that the leavers still aren't happy with as it is somehow not hard enough.

Currently 33% think we were right to leave & 11% don't know, assuming they all vote to stay out on a 70% turnout that would be 14.8m v 18.8m, which is still too many people to be disenfranchised by a single vote.

So I think the single referendum should have two questions:
1. Closer ties or stay as we are
2. If Closer ties wins, rank in order your preferred future relationship
- full EU membership
- Norway
- Switzerland
etc

So even if you've the closer ties vote goes against you, you've still got a voice on the eventual outcome and that would give our negotiators more legitimacy in the discussions with the EU.

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We've just been told by the company I work for that they are shifting production from the UK to sites in the EU...

This sort of news always seems to drop just before Christmas. Doesn't affect where I work and the shift will take three years to complete but if you think that the fallout from Brexit is behind us you are sadly mistaken.
 
Do not be conned by der Leyen’s claptrap. The UK I is managing to get the best of the EU without the enormous handicap of paying a large penalty to Brussels to be a member and we do not have legions of UK MEPs racking up enormous flying and accommodation ”expenses” for doing very little. To rejoin the unauditable Brussels Circus would be stupidity.
 
Muttley said:
We've just been told by the company I work for that they are shifting production from the UK to sites in the EU...

This sort of news always seems to drop just before Christmas. Doesn't affect where I work and the shift will take three years to complete but if you think that the fallout from Brexit is behind us you are sadly mistaken.
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Not by a long way. There will be, still part of the original Frost negotiations, the rest of the trading arrangements implemented that we signed up too.
It won’t be fun.
 
equaliser said:
People assume this, but has it ever been stated?
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It seems a standard, often repeated "lie" Ok, not a lie but not a whole truth. Sweden have been obliged to join the Euro for 30 years and simply haven't. They aren't going to get kicked out. Similarly I have a pocket full of Danish Krone right now that suggests losing our precious sterling is just not a thing. It IS a requirement of joining but as Scandanivia have taught us, you don't have to rush!
 
Lottowyn said:
Do not be conned by der Leyen’s claptrap. The UK I is managing to get the best of the EU without the enormous handicap of paying a large penalty to Brussels to be a member and we do not have legions of UK MEPs racking up enormous flying and accommodation ”expenses” for doing very little. To rejoin the unauditable Brussels Circus would be stupidity.
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Can you explain any of this with facts? It seems to fly in the face of economic reality, reduced FoM, rampant corruption in Britsh politics. But hey if you have facts, I'm happy to hear them. It'll be interesting to know why our sparsely stocked and almost out of date supermarket shelves are a good thing. Or why jobs going to Frankfurt is helpful
 
Lottowyn said:
Do not be conned by der Leyen’s claptrap. The UK I is managing to get the best of the EU without the enormous handicap of paying a large penalty to Brussels to be a member and we do not have legions of UK MEPs racking up enormous flying and accommodation ”expenses” for doing very little. To rejoin the unauditable Brussels Circus would be stupidity.
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Are we getting the best of the EU though?

I've not got freedom of movement and business has a mountain of red tape. We're paying a premium to be part of Horizon and poorer regions (including Teesside) have no access to structural funds. We also have had to replace our itinerant EU immigrants with non-EU ones who bring more dependants and cost the taxpayer more.

Seems that UvdL isn't the one talking claptrap
 
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