Bibby Stockolm Evacuated

It's another example of hasty decision by someone in government. The bacteria is only present as the barge has been laid up with likely very little ongoing maintenance done on the water system. It's not rocket science to keep on top of it to prevent the bacteria building up.

Remember, all this government and their media friends talk of immigration is a diversion. They don't want you to think about how shockingly bad they've been for 13 years. Britain is about 16th out of 28 European countries for accepting migrants. There is no "invasion" and Stop The Boats is just a stupid slogan to stick in minds - see Get Brexit Done as the same thing.
 
Nero said:
It's another example of hasty decision by someone in government. The bacteria is only present as the barge has been laid up with likely very little ongoing maintenance done on the water system. It's not rocket science to keep on top of it to prevent the bacteria building up.

Remember, all this government and their media friends talk of immigration is a diversion. They don't want you to think about how shockingly bad they've been for 13 years. Britain is about 16th out of 28 European countries for accepting migrants. There is no "invasion" and Stop The Boats is just a stupid slogan to stick in minds - see Get Brexit Done as the same thing.
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I know nothing about water, except it isn't wet. However your second paragraph as simple as it sounds is exactly what is going on.
 
Chris_Boro said:
No it isn't, anything being used at double it's stated capacity isn't safe. Do some research.
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Capacity can changed depending on use of the accommodation, as has happened in this case. It has all of the basic needs a person requires for a relatively short period of time.
 
Facefuzz said:
Capacity can changed depending on use of the accommodation, as has happened in this case. It has all of the basic needs a person requires for a relatively short period of time.
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Over 500 guests is capacity. Oil companies will normally decide on 1 or 2 persons to a room.
 

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Facefuzz said:
Capacity can changed depending on use of the accommodation, as has happened in this case. It has all of the basic needs a person requires for a relatively short period of time.
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I did read this week that each person is allocated the same space you get to park a car.

None of this is even relevant though. The tories are raping our tax system by not processing claims to stoke hatred.

It is dumb, unnecessary, cruel, expensive and achieves nothing other than making the odd vile, stupid racist smile.
 
Facefuzz said:
?? It should be short. That’s the problem

Not the accomodation
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Why should it be short? What possible change in current Tory policies or migration trends is going to make this temporary? The whole thing is a £1.6 billion PR stunt.

The accommodation is very much the problem, it's well documented as a health risk when used for this application. It's designed to hold workers for very short periods working alternate on/off shifts, not permanent residence.

We are putting hundreds of people, from different nations, with various mental and physical traumas/illness into essentially a prison barge. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Anyone supporting this should hang their heads in shame.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Why should it be short? What possible change in current Tory policies or migration trends is going to make this temporary? The whole thing is a £1.6 billion PR stunt.

The accommodation is very much the problem, it's well documented as a health risk when used for this application. It's designed to hold workers for very short periods working alternate on/off shifts, not permanent residence.

We are putting hundreds of people, from different nations, with various mental and physical traumas/illness into essentially a prison barge. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Anyone supporting this should hang their heads in shame.
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The rooms are used for sleeping and washing.
You don’t stay in them all day. They have recreation rooms, lounges, library etc to relax. They are allowed off the barge.

It’s like thinking you’ll stay in your ensuite bedroom all day in your house or a hotel.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Why should it be short? What possible change in current Tory policies or migration trends is going to make this temporary? The whole thing is a £1.6 billion PR stunt.

The accommodation is very much the problem, it's well documented as a health risk when used for this application. It's designed to hold workers for very short periods working alternate on/off shifts, not permanent residence.

We are putting hundreds of people, from different nations, with various mental and physical traumas/illness into essentially a prison barge. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Anyone supporting this should hang their heads in shame.
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It’s not a prison barge. That’s a lie.
It’s not and never will be a prison. There’s no lock and key with all persons having free reign of movement.

We put the same people together in hotels and other accommodation, you raise no issue on that.

Your first question though is the most important. Why should it be short?
the priority should be expediting all claims.
Not the cost. Not the accommodation.
No persons future should be in limbo.
Get the status sorted.
In, get housed and educated/employed
Out, straight home (although where is home and how to get people there is another matter)
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
If it were full of oil workers the place wouldn’t be evacuated, we’d be given bottled water, be expected not to shower for a few days and we’d be eating off paper plates, then told if you don’t like it you know what you can do.

We had mushed up fish coming out of the showers and had to ‘keep calm and carry on’
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So because you suffered then it’s fine for others to suffer?

Big difference between temporary accommodation for workers and long term residence for people fleeing unimaginable trauma, fairly obvious those housed here will have so many complex needs and require huge levels of support. Throwing people from various backgrounds into this type of accommodation will just cause so many issues
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
The rooms are used for sleeping and washing.
You don’t stay in them all day. They have recreation rooms, lounges, library etc to relax. They are allowed off the barge.

It’s like thinking you’ll stay in your ensuite bedroom all day in your house or a hotel.
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Except they closed most communal areas off to make more space for beds, and what do you think they can do every day off the barge with no money?

Have a read of this and tell me if you think it’s suitable to put double the amount of people the barge was designed for, who have all kinds of complex issues in this type of accommodation long term

www.independent.co.uk

Bibby Stockholm workers ‘driven stir-crazy’ on cramped barge ‘not set for living on’

Exclusive: Former gas worker says barge was used only to ‘eat and sleep’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
The rooms are used for sleeping and washing.
You don’t stay in them all day. They have recreation rooms, lounges, library etc to relax. They are allowed off the barge.

It’s like thinking you’ll stay in your ensuite bedroom all day in your house or a hotel.
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They are no where near big enough to support the number of people that are going to be resident, nor are their sufficient amenities. They converted many of those spaces for extra bed space.

Does any hotel have enough leisure space to accommodate everyone it can hold if everyone couldn't leave?

Ridiculous comparison.
 
Aztec chimera said:
Something wrong if legionnaires is there but I can't understand the objections to it in principle. I along with thousands of other British people who have worked abroad and offshore have stayed on these barges. Absolutely nothing wrong with them or the conditions they are being asked to live in. Can't see at all what all the fuss is about. If it's good enough for Brits working offshore and otherwise then why the outcry about refugees?
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Anyone working offshore will be in these rooms to sleep only and the rest of the day is taken up working, and it’s only on a temporary basis knowing you will be returning home. It’s not designed for people to live on long term
 
Facefuzz said:
It’s not a prison barge. That’s a lie.
It’s not and never will be a prison. There’s no lock and key with all persons having free reign of movement.

We put the same people together in hotels and other accommodation, you raise no issue on that.

Your first question though is the most important. Why should it be short?
the priority should be expediting all claims.
Not the cost. Not the accommodation.
No persons future should be in limbo.
Get the status sorted.
In, get housed and educated/employed
Out, straight home (although where is home and how to get people there is another matter)
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They are curfewed and all required to be in overnight. Any leave has to be arranged and pass through airport style security, with busses to shuttle them, it's a bottleneck system.

I have regularly raised an issue with using hotels in the same way, as they are not fit for this purpose either. The difference is they are not floating and surrounded by 12ft high fencing with one way on and off.

Everything about this is wrong, the use of unsuitable accommodation, deliberately not processing claims and shameful rhetoric. It's all the Tories have left, creating problems to campaign against it.
 
JM14 said:
Except they closed most communal areas off to make more space for beds, and what do you think they can do every day off the barge with no money?

Have a read of this and tell me if you think it’s suitable to put double the amount of people the barge was designed for, who have all kinds of complex issues in this type of accommodation long term

www.independent.co.uk

Bibby Stockholm workers ‘driven stir-crazy’ on cramped barge ‘not set for living on’

Exclusive: Former gas worker says barge was used only to ‘eat and sleep’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Its designed for over 500 people.

I don’t believe the recreational rooms would have been converted. The work to install the extra plumbing, electrics, HVAC etc would be massive. I suspect like some platforms/barges, some rooms are used for other things such as storage, music rooms, small spinning rooms etc

Oil workers live on these for half a year. Unless you’ve lived on one or similar you just don’t understand what they are like. They aren’t fancy, easy to clean and service, they are just to provide suitable accommodation. I’ve stayed in worse hotels than some barges.

Familes should never be put
 
JM14 said:
Anyone working offshore will be in these rooms to sleep only and the rest of the day is taken up working, and it’s only on a temporary basis knowing you will be returning home. It’s not designed for people to live on long term
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In Storms you can often spend 2/3 weeks on the barge and not working. You get your routine sorted.

Yes we know we are returning home. The people onboard have no home. They have been given a warm bed, en-suite, laundry done, 3 hot meals, gym, probably a cinema onboard, internet cafe etc etc. what more should they expect?

Families shouldn’t be housed on them.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
Its designed for over 500 people.

I don’t believe the recreational rooms would have been converted. The work to install the extra plumbing, electrics, HVAC etc would be massive. I suspect like some platforms/barges, some rooms are used for other things such as storage, music rooms, small spinning rooms etc

Oil workers live on these for half a year. Unless you’ve lived on one or similar you just don’t understand what they are like. They aren’t fancy, easy to clean and service, they are just to provide suitable accommodation. I’ve stayed in worse hotels than some barges.

Familes should never be put
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It's not designed for 500 people and communal spaces have been converted. From the BBC when given a "tour"...

"There were originally 222 cabins - but the main contribution to increasing its capacity from 222 to 506 has been placing bunk beds in each room.

They're not the biggest beds, but the rooms don't feel too claustrophobic.

There's a TV room with a big screen and sofas, a multi-faith prayer room and a classroom which can be used for meetings and activities.

Some other communal spaces have been converted to extra dormitory space for four to six men - but we weren't allowed to see these."

Again, Oil workers have a choice and are paid well for that choice. It's another ridiculous comparison.
 
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