Bibby Stockolm Evacuated

It is designed for over 500 people.

Houses up to…….

That is because the company hiring will decide whether they want 1 or 2 man rooms. They can have either. The canteen will cater for over 500, the laundry will cater for 500 people
 

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Chris_Boro said:
It's not designed for 500 people and communal spaces have been converted. From the BBC when given a "tour"...

"There were originally 222 cabins - but the main contribution to increasing its capacity from 222 to 506 has been placing bunk beds in each room.

They're not the biggest beds, but the rooms don't feel too claustrophobic.

There's a TV room with a big screen and sofas, a multi-faith prayer room and a classroom which can be used for meetings and activities.

Some other communal spaces have been converted to extra dormitory space for four to six men - but we weren't allowed to see these."

Again, Oil workers have a choice and are paid well for that choice. It's another ridiculous comparison.
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Oil workers have a choice….

So its ok for ‘inhumane conditions’ for people if they are getting paid?
Also they aren’t paid well, you can make more onshore nowadays but thats another story
 
Aztec chimera said:
Something wrong if legionnaires is there but I can't understand the objections to it in principle. I along with thousands of other British people who have worked abroad and offshore have stayed on these barges. Absolutely nothing wrong with them or the conditions they are being asked to live in. Can't see at all what all the fuss is about. If it's good enough for Brits working offshore and otherwise then why the outcry about refugees?
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You should be able to see what the fuss is about. It's worrying you can't. HMS Grenfell is just a massive dogwhistle. To enable the bigoted hoardes that support this current version of the Tory government to get all excited about immigrants being shoved into what amounts to a prison ship. Its a disgusting reflection of how nasty, how bitter, how parochial and bigoted our country has become
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
Its designed for over 500 people.

I don’t believe the recreational rooms would have been converted. The work to install the extra plumbing, electrics, HVAC etc would be massive. I suspect like some platforms/barges, some rooms are used for other things such as storage, music rooms, small spinning rooms etc

Oil workers live on these for half a year. Unless you’ve lived on one or similar you just don’t understand what they are like. They aren’t fancy, easy to clean and service, they are just to provide suitable accommodation. I’ve stayed in worse hotels than some barges.

Familes should never be put
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It might be designed for 500 people to sleep in, but not that many to spend the majority of their time on

Oil workers who are surrounded by their colleagues, at work the majority of the time and likely and know they only have a few weeks before they can return home is in no way comparable to people fleeing some awful situations, likely need all kinds of support, probably won’t speak the same language as many who they are with and have no friends/family and have to spend the vast majority of their day in the accommodation
 
JM14 said:
You go back because you get paid for it, not because you love the accommodation so much you want to return
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I’ve rapped jobs because they put us on an old drillers and the accommodation was shocking. Many people quit if it’s living quarters are poor. I know people who lived on this in Shetland and stayed the full length of the contract.

The Asylum seekers aren’t coming because they’ve heard they would love the accommodation,
 
JM14 said:
It might be designed for 500 people to sleep in, but not that many to spend the majority of their time on

Oil workers who are surrounded by their colleagues, at work the majority of the time and likely and know they only have a few weeks before they can return home is in no way comparable to people fleeing some awful situations, likely need all kinds of support, probably won’t speak the same language as many who they are with and have no friends/family and have to spend the vast majority of their day in the accommodation
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Surrounded by colleagues… You don’t get allocated a room with your mate, you can literally be in a room with anyone onboard, any nationality, you sleep 3ft away from a complete stranger you know nothing about. Many offshore have issues/habits/annoying buggers, you can’t avoid them if your sharing a room with them.
Did you see the murder the other month offshore?

You slowly get to know people.

And the barge can and will operate comfortably with 500 on board, it has to be able to incase there are issues with the bridge.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
Surrounded by colleagues… You don’t get allocated a room with your mate, you can literally be in a room with anyone onboard, any nationality, you sleep 3ft away from a complete stranger you know nothing about. Many offshore have issues/habits/annoying buggers, you can’t avoid them if your sharing a room with them.
Did you see the murder the other month offshore?

You slowly get to know people.

And the barge can and will operate comfortably with 500 on board, it has to be able to incase there are issues with the bridge.
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So basically what you’re saying is this type of accommodation isn’t suitable to house large numbers of people?

Those issues you mentioned all happen when people are just using the accommodation for sleeping, imagine how bad things will be when people are spending the majority of their time in here. Clearly not suitable especially for people who will have complex needs
 
JM14 said:
So basically what you’re saying is this type of accommodation isn’t suitable to house large numbers of people?

Those issues you mentioned all happen when people are just using the accommodation for sleeping, imagine how bad things will be when people are spending the majority of their time in here. Clearly not suitable especially for people who will have complex needs
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Where did I say it wasn’t suitable for large numbers of people, of course it is. I have many years experience living on these things. I know what they are like, I know how they operate.

It’s never used just for sleeping.
 
SmallTown said:
You should be able to see what the fuss is about. It's worrying you can't. HMS Grenfell is just a massive dogwhistle. To enable the bigoted hoardes that support this current version of the Tory government to get all excited about immigrants being shoved into what amounts to a prison ship. Its a disgusting reflection of how nasty, how bitter, how parochial and bigoted our country has become
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A prison ship? You've obviously never been on one of these facilities. As for those who have said the likes of me were only on there for a short while, a lot of the catering staff and cleaners could be on there for a year at a time. By choice, so they could make better lives for their families back home. Can't see why it should be any different for refugees coming over. Or should we be spending more for them to stay in hotels? What do you suggest as an alternative?
 
Aztec chimera said:
A prison ship? You've obviously never been on one of these facilities. As for those who have said the likes of me were only on there for a short while, a lot of the catering staff and cleaners could be on there for a year at a time. By choice, so they could make better lives for their families back home. Can't see why it should be any different for refugees coming over. Or should we be spending more for them to stay in hotels? What do you suggest as an alternative?
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Providing a proper route for refugees so it's not required in the first place.
 
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants said:
Where did I say it wasn’t suitable for large numbers of people, of course it is. I have many years experience living on these things. I know what they are like, I know how they operate.

It’s never used just for sleeping.
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From what you have experienced, do you think it’s suitable accommodation for large numbers of people to spend the majority of their days, for an indefinite amount of time who clearly will have many complex needs which require huge amounts of support?

Because from what you have mentioned it sounds like a fairly awful place to spend even a few weeks for people just using the accommodation on a temporary basis for sleeping and a small amount of leisure time
 
Aztec chimera said:
A prison ship? You've obviously never been on one of these facilities. As for those who have said the likes of me were only on there for a short while, a lot of the catering staff and cleaners could be on there for a year at a time. By choice, so they could make better lives for their families back home. Can't see why it should be any different for refugees coming over. Or should we be spending more for them to stay in hotels? What do you suggest as an alternative?
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So they are in employment whilst they are there are they? They can come and go freely? No, no they can't. It's a prison ship
 

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Prison? I worked on the largest construction project in the world a few years ago for 4 years. The last year of which we needed to bring in Indonesian workers but the country I was working in wouldn't grant them visas. The solution that we brought in was to use an accommodation barge. None of the workers were allowed to leave the site. The food and facilities on board were fantastic. So much so that most of us expats preferred eating there on a lunch time rather than what was on offer in the permanent canteens on shore. I became good friends with quite a few of the Indonesian workers and every one of them loved their time spent on there. OK, so they were employed but they didn't have freedom to leave. Didn't stop them enjoying their time spent there and a number of them have told me they wish they were back there now.
 
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