Benidorm Curfew/Spanish Lockdown.

RandySavage said:
That's a hell of view I could get used to every morning.
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Having lived here for 15 years now you get used to the views. It is only now that I am appreciating it again. As I cannot go out there at the moment.

Here is a photo from the place about 200m down the road where we were renting 15 years ago. When we first came over here. The only time there has even been snow here in the town. Since the town was first built in the 70s. That is the 2nd fairway in the foreground.
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Assuming we will still be able to, our plan for when we are older is to move over there. We are thinking south coast. I've got a vision of opening a little cafe/bistro that I'd have as a hobby instead of relying on it for cashflow. 🤗
 
RandySavage said:
Assuming we will still be able to, our plan for when we are older is to move over there. We are thinking south coast. I've got a vision of opening a little cafe/bistro that I'd have as a hobby instead of relying on it for cashflow. 🤗
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One of the hardest jobs of the lot is running a cafe/bistro if you plan to work in it. Also, depending on where you are it is very difficult to make a decent profit. If you are considering the south coast then the further east you go the less rain there is Especially in the winter.
 
spanishman said:
One of the hardest jobs of the lot is running a cafe/bistro if you plan to work in it. Also, depending on where you are it is very difficult to make a decent profit. If you are considering the south coast then the further east you go the less rain there is Especially in the winter.
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Yeah I've read into that hence why I won't be relying on it as a source of income. More just something to relieve boredom and keep my brain active.
 
RandySavage said:
Yeah I've read into that hence why I won't be relying on it as a source of income. More just something to relieve boredom and keep my brain active.
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Yep. You need something. I play golf on average 2 1/2 - 3 times a week. My wife and I run a golf society here. I write a blog about the town. I run a progressive whist event once a week. Plus my wife and I play short mat bowls twice a week. Plus we do other stuff. It is amazing how quickly you can find things to fill in your time.
 
spanishman said:
One of the hardest jobs of the lot is running a cafe/bistro if you plan to work in it. Also, depending on where you are it is very difficult to make a decent profit. If you are considering the south coast then the further east you go the less rain there is Especially in the winter.
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".... then the further east you go the less rain there is Especially in the winter. "

And less tourists, which you'll need if you're looking to run a bar/cafe not reliant on locals - certainly round here, locals have their "own" cafes and bars that they've been going to for years (and often their ancestors before them - the bar you go to is "handed down" though the generations !) and they don't move from them

Edit - I appreciate this is info for Randy but in a reply to Spanishman !
 
Malaguena said:
".... then the further east you go the less rain there is Especially in the winter. "

And less tourists, which you'll need if you're looking to run a bar/cafe not reliant on locals - certainly round here, locals have their "own" cafes and bars that they've been going to for years (and often their ancestors before them - the bar you go to is "handed down" though the generations !) and they don't move from them

Edit - I appreciate this is info for Randy but in a reply to Spanishman !
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Good point. The Costa del Sol is the area with the most tourism on the south coast. If you were setting something up as a cafe/bar business rather than a hobby that would be your best chance of success on the south coast.

Further west is wetter. So less people in the winter. Further east there is less tourism.

The thing to consider is what you want for your life. If it is the best climate in a seaside town in Spain in the winter. Then select something on the south coast in the Costa Tropical, Costa de Almería or Murcia. Or up the east coast south of Alicante.

If you want somewhere for a chance of a profitable cafe/bar business based on tourism then pick Costa del Sol on the south coast or places around the Benidorm area on the east coast.
 
We ideally would like to veer away from the tourist places. When we move which won't be until after the kids have left school (the youngest is only 1) I want to soak into the culture.
 
spanishman said:
Good point. The Costa del Sol is the area with the most tourism on the south coast. If you were setting something up as a cafe/bar business rather than a hobby that would be your best chance of success on the south coast.

Further west is wetter. So less people in the winter. Further east there is less tourism.

The thing to consider is what you want for your life. If it is the best climate in a seaside town in Spain in the winter. Then select something on the south coast in the Costa Tropical, Costa de Almería or Murcia. Or up the east coast south of Alicante.

If you want somewhere for a chance of a profitable cafe/bar business based on tourism then pick Costa del Sol on the south coast or places around the Benidorm area on the east coast.
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I can obviously only speak from personal experience, but we've not really had wet or windy winters here in Malaga while we've been here / been coming here - climate has been perfect, other than the weird snow/hail day we had in February this year. January / February can be a bit "dull and overcast" but nothing untoward.

"Further west is wetter. So less people in the winter. Further east there is less tourism" - As I say, certainly not wet here, and we have year round tourism - big area for winter holidays now, and I'd say winter / spring is actually the busiest time of year for cruise ships calling in.

Malaga City is gorgeous and a year round destination - lots of Nordic people holiday here as well.
The old town in Torremolinos is pushing itself as a big gay centre, and money is pouring in. The stretch then along to Benalmadena and Fuengirola is also busy all year round
The Axarquía stretch from Nerja round to Malaga is probably the quietest bit, but still pleasantly busy.

The whole area is bouncing (in a nice way).

Edit - just seen Randy's latest post - even though it's busy, Malaga City hasn't lost any of it's charm - loads of galleries, museums, architecture etc which is what Dona Malaguena wanted when we moved here
 
Malaguena said:
I can obviously only speak from personal experience, but we've not really had wet or windy winters here in Malaga while we've been here / been coming here - climate has been perfect, other than the weird snow/hail day we had in February this year. January / February can be a bit "dull and overcast" but nothing untoward.

"Further west is wetter. So less people in the winter. Further east there is less tourism" - As I say, certainly not wet here, and we have year round tourism - big area for winter holidays now, and I'd say winter / spring is actually the busiest time of year for cruise ships calling in.

Malaga City is gorgeous and a year round destination - lots of Nordic people holiday here as well.
The old town in Torremolinos is pushing itself as a big gay centre, and money is pouring in. The stretch then along to Benalmadena and Fuengirola is also busy all year round
The Axarquía stretch from Nerja round to Malaga is probably the quietest bit, but still pleasantly busy.

The whole area is bouncing (in a nice way).
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I agree that the Costa del Sol gets a lot less rain than the UK. However before we bought a place in Spain I looked at climate stats. Here are some charts for average rainfall going from west to east on the south coast of Spain. Huelva, Málaga, Salobreña, Almería and Cartagena....
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Picking up on Malaguena's windy weather point - I would say that the weather is windy at times where we are. That is our bad weather. I have never really looked in detail about windy weather stats on the south and east coast of Spain. Probably something for me to do when I have some spare time.
 
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spanishman said:
I agree that the Costa del Sol gets a lot less rain than the UK. However before we bought a place in Spain I looked at climate stats. Here are some charts for average rainfall going from west to east on the south coast of Spain. Huelva, Málaga, Salobreña, Almería and Cartagena....
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As I say, I can only go on my experience.

What I would say, is that there are very very few rainy days, but when it does rain, it's an absolute deluge - maybe only for a couple of hours or so, but it's torrential - we've had a river running down our road, my daughter's school flooded, and an hour later you wouldn't have known it's rained. That will be reflected in the volume figure - but it might all be in 1 or 2 days in a month
 
Malaguena said:
As I say, I can only go on my experience.

What I would say, is that there are very very few rainy days, but when it does rain, it's an absolute deluge - maybe only for a couple of hours or so, but it's torrential - we've had a river running down our road, my daughter's school flooded, and an hour later you wouldn't have known it's rained. That will be reflected in the volume figure - but it might all be in 1 or 2 days in a month
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Yes. Agreed. Same here. Just our winter totals are less.
 
Interesting stats Spanishman. I've been to Murcia plenty of times in the Spring - varying from Easter to the end of May - and I don't recall a single trip when we didn't have some bad weather to contend with. Generally the weather has been ok, but the good days are warm rather than hot. The wind seems to be everpresent, and if it's been blowing over the Sierra Nevada, then it's a pretty cool wind. There have been some spectacular rain storms that we witnessed over the years too, but not enough to disrupt the golf for more than a couple of days.

Anyway, southern Spain is generally warmer, but - as with so many places - wetter too. So it's a trade off.
 
Soutra said:
Interesting stats Spanishman. I've been to Murcia plenty of times in the Spring - varying from Easter to the end of May - and I don't recall a single trip when we didn't have some bad weather to contend with. Generally the weather has been ok, but the good days are warm rather than hot. The wind seems to be everpresent, and if it's been blowing over the Sierra Nevada, then it's a pretty cool wind. There have been some spectacular rain storms that we witnessed over the years too, but not enough to disrupt the golf for more than a couple of days.

Anyway, southern Spain is generally warmer, but - as with so many places - wetter too. So it's a trade off.
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I certainly know about the windy weather. A guy who has been world champion windsurfer a couple of times comes from our town.

I know a bit about golf in Murcia as we have been to La Manga on a number of occasions. We have also played a couple of other courses in the region.

I know about the rainfall stats as my wife and I spent 2 years having golfing holidays in Europe. Looking for a place to buy a holiday home. Only then did I look at the climate stats. That is why we decided to focus on Almería and Murcia. We also considered the Canary Isles. However that was too long a flight from the UK for quick breaks away from work.

In the end we stopped work in the UK and moved out here for 6 months. To try it out here. We have been here over 15 years now.

FYI - in the province of Almería (about 30-40 minutes from where I live) there is the only desert area in mainland Europe. It was used for filming a lot of the spaghetti westerns years ago.
 
Daily info from my preferred Spanish stats guy

Google translation:

Data Friday May 1

We continue in the same phase: the figures for the descent of the last few days are established, which puts us in the stretch of just over a thousand contagions identified per day and less than 300 deaths. Hopefully by now the weekend effect will no longer distort the data. If the trend continues, in a few days cases will be measured in hundreds and deaths below 200.

Of course, a new mismatch in the figures due to the incorporation of old data from Madrid cases, which means that the difference between the total cases of yesterday and today is not equal to the new cases of today. As it can be seen that the Ministry of Health does not mind creating confusion and misalignments with their daily figures, so here I am going to stop giving importance. Simply, when there is a new asterisk in the figure in the table, it is that Health has touched the data again.

1,175 new cases (-134). The important thing is that it is already 4 days below the 1,500 cases, so a new decline is probably already under the 1,000 cases. 215,216 cases in total. The multiplication rate is maintained at 1.03.

Starting today, I add a new detailed graph on the multiplication rates, so that the evolution of this phase of exit from the first wave of the epidemic can be better appreciated.

281 deceased (+13). Second day in a row below 300 dead. Ninth consecutive day below 400. 24,824 deaths since the start of the crisis. Stable rate at 1.06.

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