Anna Turley

Lefty said:
I didn't agree with the en masse Shadow Cabinet resignations* over Corbyn, but they knew the guy and some of the people around him and they were proved absolutely right that he would be a disaster, I'm afraid.

Turley was right about Brexit and right about Corbyn. Her judgement was sound on the two biggest calls she had to make. She's a decent person.

* I'd exempt Starmer from that. His resignation was Brexit specific and came after the others already resigned, which in itself changed the calculation.

As for those saying we could have had a softer Brexit. That is misremembering. It was never offered.
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A deal hadn’t even been struck yet, so yes a softer brexit would have been negotiated if Labour had control of parliament.
 
fmttmadmin said:
Am pretty sure she did support the move. And remember it was listed only to be only de-listed 2 days later by Nadine.
So, remember the sequence; the tower was listed and then the listing was reversed by Nadine Dorries, immediately on coming into office.
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So why wasn't it done under her watch? I very much remember the process having being involved first hand. Nadine Dorries signed off on the demolition minutes into her new role.. it certainly wasn't a considered approach.
 
fmttmadmin said:
The housing was passed by government inspectorate - over ruling local council, MP and more importantly a massive petition by local people.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

Petition launched to block housing scheme on country park land

A PETITON has been launched to help residents fight against proposals to build houses at a country park.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
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The building company did a number on that area and filled in ponds that had newts in them. They were determined to get it built no matter what and seemed willing to break the rules to do so.

I use to walk up there and sit and watch the deer where the houses have been built. The deer would come down regularly to graze in the fields and to water in the ponds. The path now takes you through the housing estate.

And yes, I signed the petition.
 
Can I just make sure I understand the points in relation to Anna Turley (ignoring the arguments and insults)
1. She wanted a second referendum because she thought Brexit was a bad idea?
2. She didn't think Corbyn was the right man for the job
3. She volunteers at the foodbanks?
4. She lives in the local area and has done since her defeat?
5. She is a governor at a local primary school?
6. She is a supporter of local causes?

Am I missing anything because so far she seems to be better suited that the present incumbent?
 
newyddion said:
So why wasn't it done under her watch? I very much remember the process having being involved first hand. Nadine Dorries signed off on the demolition minutes into her new role.. it certainly wasn't a considered approach.
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No one campaigned for the Dorman Long Tower to be listed previously because it was thought to not be at risk. That is a point that was put to me several years ago by a local mayor, this is not hindsight speaking here.
But things suddenly changed with Teesworks. Yet finally it was listed and protected only for that decision to be reversed by the government. It would not have mattered if it had been listed 2 days before or 2 years before if Nadine Dorries decided to de-list it.
 
fmttmadmin said:
No one campaigned for the Dorman Long Tower to be listed previously because it was thought to not be at risk. That is a point that was put to me several years ago by a local mayor, this is not hindsight speaking here.
But things suddenly changed with Teesworks. Yet finally it was listed and protected only for that decision to be reversed by the government. It would not have mattered if it had been listed 2 days before or 2 years before if Nadine Dorries decided to de-list it.
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Who listed it?
 
TheLodger said:
Then Jacob Young is the person for you then... Because it's either Tory or Labour that will win this seat.
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If Labour want to win the seat then they'll need to select a candidate that represents the majority of the constituents.

If they fail to do that then it's on no-one but Labour.

If my vote makes a difference then Labour should have targeted me with their politics rather than going after a right-wing voter that went elsewhere.
 
Keyboard Worrier said:
Can I just make sure I understand the points in relation to Anna Turley (ignoring the arguments and insults)
1. She wanted a second referendum because she thought Brexit was a bad idea?
2. She didn't think Corbyn was the right man for the job
3. She volunteers at the foodbanks?
4. She lives in the local area and has done since her defeat?
5. She is a governor at a local primary school?
6. She is a supporter of local causes?

Am I missing anything because so far she seems to be better suited that the present incumbent?
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No one is saying she isn't better than the present incumbent. Almost anyone else would be.

Anna Turley will lose Labour votes that they should be getting due to her previous (and current - c.f. Roger Waters) actions (or lack of them).
 
I like how Anna rolled her sleeves up and joined the Steel Closure protests. She also stood up for poor people and foodbanks in the Redcar area. There appears to be some really desperate poverty in Redcar, Dormanstown, Grangetown, Eston, South Bank, Normanby areas. She also brought a private members bill to increase the potential punishments for animal cruelty which I admore her for. I think she comes from Dartford originally and went to Oxford University and a fee paying school so she didn't have to do what she did as a MP i.e be a MP for a neglected and relatively forgotten part of the North East.

Obviously heavily backing the Remain option lost her a lot of votes in her seat in 2019. I also don't think having JC as a leader of her Party helped in seats like Redcar.

Industrial regeneration of the area and quality job generation in the Redcar area is a key objective for any MP for Redcar for me, so my advice to Anna is promote this when seeking election.
 
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ForssAwakens said:
Yes that’s the point, if people contracted on unity for the 2017 election they could have done potentially and therefore a softer brexit could have happened
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Corbyn wasn't able enough a politician to get that unity. Nor did he understand or was interested in Brexit. This is old ground. 2017 was a high water mark and Corbyn was given the benefit of the doubt and lent votes by remainers he and LOTO insulted and alienated thereafter. He also benefitted by a number of people disliking May's u-turn and calling an election. Corbyn got as many votes pretty much as he was ever going to get. A united party wouldn't have gained sufficient extra and it is quite feasible Corbyn actually benefited from the PLP rebellion against him.

There was a popular claim going around that Labour were only 2-3000 votes away from having enough seats to form a government and that the disunity in the party with some actively working against Corbyn must have cost at least those votes. There is a rationale there, but it's too much wishful thinking and it has far too many assumptions. Yes, if all the planets aligned, but the chances of all the planets aligning sufficiently was a much, much lower probability than them not. Frankly, there is just too much wishful thinking from Corbynistas and not enough dealing with reality.We see similar delusion with the Johnsonians here and MAGA's in the US.

Labour got just 262 seats in 2017. The Tories got 317.

Anyway, it's old ground.

There is no point arguing with people who still think Brexit is the fault of Remainers, because they don't remember the situation correctly, or didn't actually understand it at the time and misunderstand the 2019 indicative votes saga.
 
Keyboard Worrier said:
Can I just make sure I understand the points in relation to Anna Turley (ignoring the arguments and insults)
1. She wanted a second referendum because she thought Brexit was a bad idea?
2. She didn't think Corbyn was the right man for the job
3. She volunteers at the foodbanks?
4. She lives in the local area and has done since her defeat?
5. She is a governor at a local primary school?
6. She is a supporter of local causes?

Am I missing anything because so far she seems to be better suited that the present incumbent?
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She wanted a second referendum because she thought democracy was a bad idea. The voters exercised their democratic right to kick her out.
 
Redwurzel said:
I like how Anna rolled her sleeves up and joined the Steel Closure protests. She also stood up for poor people and foodbanks in the Redcar area. There appears to be some really desperate poverty in Redcar, Dormanstown, Grangetown, Eston, South Bank, Normanby areas. She brought a private members bill to increase the potential punishments for animal cruelty. I think she comes from Dartford originally and went to Oxford University and a fee paying school so she didn't have to do what she did as a MP.

Obviously heavily backing the Remain option lost her a lot of votes in her seat in 2019. I also don't think having JC as a leader of her Party helped in seats like Redcar.

Industrial regeneration of the area and quality job generation in the Redcar area is a key objective for any MP for Redcar for me, so my advice to Anna is promote this when seeking election.
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"I think she comes from Dartford originally and went to Oxford University and a fee paying school so she didn't have to do what she did as a MP"

hmm..
 
Lefty said:
The way to show contempt for democracy is to want more ........... democracy?
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that's not how it works. people vote for a party they believe represents their values.. they vote for a candidate to sit in parliament and represent their choices and values.

so.. when you have a whole bunch of MPs saying they don't believe in airy fairy labour policies and regardless of what people vote for they will fight tooth and nail against that as that is what they believe personally should happen.. then you will get exactly what we got. an MP coming in on the back of doing ONE THING the voters asked for... regardless of outcome or consequence.

Labour MPs were too busy in whatapp groups sniping at Jeremy Corbyn, undermining the membership, calling voters idiots and racists.. too busy to listen and best represent the people in their constituency. they handed the last two elections to the conservatives on a silver plate.. some were generously rewarded as a result.
 
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