Anna Turley

JackG said:
She wanted a second referendum because she thought democracy was a bad idea. The voters exercised their democratic right to kick her out.
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Thinking Brexit was a mistake doesn't mean you disagree with democracy.

It was a disastrous decision for this country to leave the EU, and it still is today.

The Labour position was not to oveturn the result of the referendum, it was to ask the public whether they wanted to leave with the deal agreed or stick with the status quo.
If the people still wanted to leave, we would have left.

I can understand why many Leave voters were outraged at the prospect of another vote, and I think it ultimately cost Labour millions of votes to take that position, but it's not anti-democratic to vote on something again.

I'd quite like another General Election because I strongly disliked the outcome of the last one, it doesn't mean I disagree with democracy.
 
TeaCider said:
Thinking Brexit was a mistake doesn't mean you disagree with democracy.

It was a disastrous decision for this country to leave the EU, and it still is today.

The Labour position was not to oveturn the result of the referendum, it was to ask the public whether they wanted to leave with the deal agreed or stick with the status quo.
If the people still wanted to leave, we would have left.

I can understand why many Leave voters were outraged at the prospect of another vote, and I think it inevitably cost Labour millions of votes to take that position, but it's not anti-democratic to vote on something again.

I'd quite like another General Election because I strongly disliked the outcome of the last one, it doesn't mean I disagree with democracy.
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Fully backed Corbyn and a Soft Brexit would have wiped the floor with the Conservatives.
 
newyddion said:
Fully backed Corbyn and a Soft Brexit would have wiped the floor with the Conservatives.
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Ha ha ha ha ha - I've seen some utter bu11shit on here over the years, but this takes the biscuit

Magic Grandad - the one who voted against his own party in government how many times and then expected blind loyalty when he was leader - is the primary reason the Tories got back in. His politics and his rabid followers were and remain unelectable
 
2010
David Cameron 10,703,754 - moved to the centre
Gordon Brown 8,609,527 - was too far to the right
Nick Clegg 6,836,824 - moved to the left

2015
David Cameron 11,299,609 - treading water
Ed Miliband 9,347,273 - made some headway but didn't capture the imagination
Nick Clegg 2,415,916 - lost 4.5 million going back on everything they offered

2017
Theresa May 13,636,684 - still made gains on the previous but not seen as a success.
Jeremy Corbyn 12,877,918 - made up 3.5 millions votes captured voters attention. not backed by the PLP
Tim Farron 2,371,861 - no change really seen as turncoats

2019
Boris Johnson 13,966,454 - made minor gains and
Jeremy Corbyn 10,269,051 - lost 2.6m votes due to MPs not backing the party or the public.
Jo Swinson 3,696,419 - gained 1.3m votes with b***ks to brexit

Labour position for the next general election is to go back on everything they said, back the turncoats and move further to the right.
My guess is that they think the 2.6m will come back on a plate BECAUSE CORBYN and by following the independent group for change route they will graso those 1.3m votes from the lib dems too! 14.1m votes.. that's Tony Blair territory.. easy this politics malarkey.

Except for the core base of Labour voters who have been burned, disenfranchised.. the core of the UK vote is left of centre.. the PLP don't want that. It's a shame Caroline Lucas is stepping down as I thought we'd see huge gains with the Green Party. Boris Johnson's conservative nationalists might rear their heads..
 
Malaguena said:
Ha ha ha ha ha - I've seen some utter bu11shit on here over the years, but this takes the biscuit

Magic Grandad - the one who voted against his own party in government how many times and then expected blind loyalty when he was leader - is the primary reason the Tories got back in. His politics and his rabid followers were and remain unelectable
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His politics were closer to Thatcher Britain than anything Michael Foot or Tony Benn put out. Loyalty should be to the voters and the members. THE PLP made the party unelectable not Corbyn or his moderate policies.
 
exiledinboro said:
I believe left wing Candidate Lynn Pallister from Grangetown was blocked from standing. I'm sure I read on here that the the selection process was all above board 🤔

And thanks for taking a interest in my wellbeing ER, and as always I'm absolutely fine.

For future reference maybe, don't ask people if they're OK and instead tell your mates to tone it down 👍

And Corbyn offered a soft brexit that respected the result. It wasn't perfect but it was far more sensible than pushing for a second referendum
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Here she is (Lynn Pallister) with her award for councillor of the year in a ceremony at London’s Guildhall..

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Are people genuinely surprised that political nominations are, well, political?

Johnson will probably end up in a safe Tory seat. Its part of the system. If you don't like it, then you need to be asking for the system to change.

A previous MP who lives in the area, with experience of dealing in particular policy areas, is a strong candidate choice, especially against a candidate who is only strong at eating 99s.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Are people genuinely surprised that political nominations are, well, political?

Johnson will probably end up in a safe Tory seat. Its part of the system. If you don't like it, then you need to be asking for the system to change.

A previous MP who lives in the area, with experience of dealing in particular policy areas, is a strong candidate choice, especially against a candidate who is only strong at eating 99s.
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especially against a candidate who is only strong at eating 99s.. he got more votes than Anna Turley.

makes as much sense as putting Dr Paul Williams up at Hartlepool.
 
Malaguena said:
Ha ha ha ha ha - I've seen some utter bu11shit on here over the years, but this takes the biscuit

Magic Grandad - the one who voted against his own party in government how many times and then expected blind loyalty when he was leader - is the primary reason the Tories got back in. His politics and his rabid followers were and remain unelectable
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I'll ignore the "Magic Grandad" insult.

I'm less bothered about the lack of blind loyalty - it's the fact that no-one from Centrist Central is willing to admit that it cost votes that bothers me.

If you can't even be honest about your highly publicised actions then why would you expect anyone to trust you going forwards?

Anna Turley lost the trust of Redcar constituents no matter which political flag they may have once flown. Some due to Brexit and others due to her betrayal of both Corbyn and the Labour party.

She's now posting nonsense about Roger Waters because he dared to question the antisemitism narrative. It's a busted flush and Labour will do better with a different candidate, in my opinion.

However it's virtually impossible to prove anything as there will be no parallel universe election to look at. If she stands and wins then Labour got it right. If she stands and loses, don't blame anyone but yourselves.
 
Scrote said:
I'll ignore the "Magic Grandad" insult.

I'm less bothered about the lack of blind loyalty - it's the fact that no-one from Centrist Central is willing to admit that it cost votes that bothers me.

If you can't even be honest about your highly publicised actions then why would you expect anyone to trust you going forwards?

Anna Turley lost the trust of Redcar constituents no matter which political flag they may have once flown. Some due to Brexit and others due to her betrayal of both Corbyn and the Labour party.

She's now posting nonsense about Roger Waters because he dared to question the antisemitism narrative. It's a busted flush and Labour will do better with a different candidate, in my opinion.

However it's virtually impossible to prove anything as there will be no parallel universe election to look at. If she stands and wins then Labour got it right. If she stands and loses, don't blame anyone but yourselves.
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The Roger Waters thing is idiotic
 
exiledinboro said:
I’ve asked the question 4 times who you voted?

I can tell you without you asking I voted Corbyn in 2017 & 2019 and don’t regret it

If you’re going to post you abandoned Corbyn after voting him in 2017 I’m not sure what your local representatives has to do with it

But then we don’t share the same IQ
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Unless you live in his constituency you didn't
 
exiledinboro said:
So voting Labour in 2017 and abandoning them in 2019 is being loyal and gives you the right to accuse others of enabling a future Tory Government if they don’t vote Labour

Yep. No wonder this area has a intellectual deficit reputation
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He didn't abandon them, he gave up on corbyn
 
redcarbob said:
The tories won with a 3500 majority and an 18% swing, surely that wasn’t all down to Brexit? Backlash from the steelworks? I don’t know Anna although feels risky to me, be like bringing Karanka back for a second spell.
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Corbyn Corbyn Corbyn
 
JackG said:
She's in favour of the sort of democracy where the plebs have to keep voting until they come up with the right answer.
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Very sorry, but this is just a misreading of what has happened historically.

The "keep voting until they come up with the right answer" idea is a right-wing trope that has it's origins (as far as I'm aware) in the Lisbon Treaty referendum in Ireland.

The Irish voted no in the first referendum and then the treaty was amended to give the Irish what they wanted.

They had a second referendum and voted in favour of the amended treaty.

Exactly how a democratic process should work.

Compared to the absolute raft of undemocratic actions surrounding Brexit, anyone kicking off about "keep voting..." etc. should be up in arms. The fact they're not speaks volumes about how much they actually care about democracy.
 
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