Anna Turley

jam69 said:
Unless you live in his constituency you didn't
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Whilst I think I understand that the Lodger is saying he voted for Corbyn in the first leadership election and not the second, it is fairly easy to see where the confusion has come from.

Not that Exiled has covered himself in glory here but there are responses to the Twitter post that have made the same logical leap and Lodger has very carefully not answered them - which just makes it all look very suspicious.
 
Scrote said:
Very sorry, but this is just a misreading of what has happened historically.

The "keep voting until they come up with the right answer" idea is a right-wing trope that has it's origins (as far as I'm aware) in the Lisbon Treaty referendum in Ireland.

The Irish voted no in the first referendum and then the treaty was amended to give the Irish what they wanted.

They had a second referendum and voted in favour of the amended treaty.

Exactly how a democratic process should work.

Compared to the absolute raft of undemocratic actions surrounding Brexit, anyone kicking off about "keep voting..." etc. should be up in arms. The fact they're not speaks volumes about how much they actually care about democracy.
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True up to a point, but not entirely as regards the UK Brexit referendum.

There were amendments tabled to the referendum bill to provide for a two stage vote, on the principle and then on the deal. Almost all the “leaders” of both sides opposed this. Both Cameron and Harmon led their parties to oppose it. Both sides went emphatically for a one vote option.

That was a travesty in my view. But still, if you go “all in” on one roll of the dice and then when you lose claim “best of three surely” you’re a tosser. That’s why this particular lefty remainer could never support the second vote.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Whether Turley is pro Corbyn or not or what she says about veteran millionaire musicians doesn't really matter.
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If you're happy voting for someone who works against their own party and twists the truth with abandon then surely you should be putting your tick in the blue box?
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
What’s her opinion on Roger Waters got to do with the constituency of Redcar and Cleveland?
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How does that work then?

What did Corbyn's opinions on anything have to do with the constituency of Redcar and Cleveland?

It's a really bad take.

I'm not going to vote for someone who is currently pro-Putin no matter what colour rosette they wear.
 
Scrote said:
How does that work then?

What did Corbyn's opinions on anything have to do with the constituency of Redcar and Cleveland?

It's a really bad take.

I'm not going to vote for someone who is currently pro-Putin no matter what colour rosette they wear.
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Who’s pro-Putin?
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think all of this intra Labour stuff is really boring as I think most of the electorate do, if they are even aware of it.

Get the weasely lemon top knobber out and try and undo some of the damage the Tory charlatans and crooks have done.

Whether Turley is pro Corbyn or not or what she says about veteran millionaire musicians doesn't really matter.
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just daft boring stuff like democracy and freedom of speech and freedom of expression.. who cares about all that intra labour stuff. take away the colour of the rossette as Labour don't want that to matter anymore. forget the policies because neither have them or will stick to them unless it benefits them in some way.

who is less damaging to society? who will cause the least amount of harm in office?
 
Going back to voters in the Redcar Constinuency - I am surprised Normanby has 2 Conservative councillors elected in May 2023. It makes me think the Labour Party is still not offering what working class voters in Teesside want. I know it was a local election, but Normanby is fairly solid working class and the Conservative Party is polling exceedingly lowly on a National scale.

Ref EU referendum vote - it was undemocratic, not to vote on what sort of leave EU deal UK citizens wanted.
 
Redwurzel said:
Going back to voters in the Redcar Constinuency - I am surprised Normanby has 2 Conservative councillors elected in May 2023. It makes me think the Labour Party is still not offering what working class voters in Teesside want. I know it was a local election, but Normanby is fairly solid working class and the Conservative Party is polling exceedingly lowly on a National scale.

Ref EU referendum vote - it was undemocratic, not to vote on what sort of leave EU deal UK citizens wanted.
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could the MPs have not decided on that? 2016 referendum brought in by a government voted in 2015.. they didn't know what to do so we saw another general election in 2017.. that wasn't good enough apparently so we had another one in 2019

2015
2016
2017
2019

and still they made a pigs ear of it.. soft brexit with scandi policies would have won 2017 & 2019
 
Redwurzel said:
Going back to voters in the Redcar Constinuency - I am surprised Normanby has 2 Conservative councillors elected in May 2023. It makes me think the Labour Party is still not offering what working class voters in Teesside want. I know it was a local election, but Normanby is fairly solid working class and the Conservative Party is polling exceedingly lowly on a National scale.

Ref EU referendum vote - it was undemocratic, not to vote on what sort of leave EU deal UK citizens wanted.
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Labour lost out by a few votes. Anna turley played and up and front role in campaigning. It’s my view as well as others that this played its part, and gives you a flavour of what might happen

My dad is representive of these voters. He was defending boris last night ‘we all broke the rules, we could distance at work, we brought cake in for people retiring’

Labour needs someone to appeal to these voters if they are to win Redcar.

They’ll have a better chance of winning appeasing them than trying to appease the socialists of the world like me and scrote
 
Easterside_Red said:
Doesn't he realise that Johnson is in this position because he denied breaking the rules and lied about breaking the rules to Parliament?
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‘Ye but everyone did, people on the committee like Jenkins parties, it’s a stitch up’

They believe what’s peddled by the mail and go news. You won’t get through to them.

These are the people who would never vote Tory because what thatcher did, but brexit was a bigger issue for these right wing working class people, and it represents a lot of traditional red wall voters.

Brexit not corbyn was the issue in 2019 in the red wall
 
Easterside_Red said:
I can beat that easily. Roger Waters believes a Jewish conspiracy overthrew Corbyn, fixed the result of the 2019 general election and controls Keir Starmer.
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No he doesnt. He doesnt believe in a "jewish conspiracy": he exposes the myth that Judaism and Zionism are one and the same. Zionism* is an ideology which predates the holocaust and the creation of Israel - dating back to the C19th. Its his support for the rights of equality for Palestinians in their own land - which has incurred the wrath and smears from the racist Zionists. Neither does he, or the likes of Ken Loach, Jackie Walker, Mark Wadsworth, Naome Wimborne-Iddrissi, believe the election in 2019 was "fixed" - nor do they believe in a "Jewish conspiracy". That is an anti-semitic trope. Starmer has disproportionately expelled more Anti-Zionst Jews [for being anti-semitic!] than any other group since he took hold of the leadership**.

* https://www.britannica.com/biography/Theodor-Herzl
** https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-antisemitism-accused-purging-jews-over-claims

 
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Scrote said:
If you're happy voting for someone who works against their own party and twists the truth with abandon then surely you should be putting your tick in the blue box?
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Well I can't put my tick in pretty much any box in that case; like I said most people don't care or even know about it.

I'm not a member of any party and never will be. I'm probably the equivalent of the type of football fan that none of us could understand because they don't have their own team to support.
 
ForssAwakens said:
Brexit not corbyn was the issue in 2019 in the red wall
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The 2019 GE was a single issue vote: Brexit. Red wall voters were turned off by Corbyn's failure to make clear what his position was.

There's posters on here who claim that Labour lost the 2019 election because the Party considered red wall Brexit voters to be thick racist gammons. The same posters, without a hint of irony, retrospectively blame the 2019 loss on red wall Brexit voters not being able to appreciate Corbyn's proposed convoluted solution, i.e. we'll spend 3 years negotiating a soft Brexit then we'll have another Referendum but I'll stay neutral 🤔
 
I'll vote for her because I'd rather a Labour government than a Tory one but she's never impressed me, I've never seen her or her team knocking on my door come election time, they always seem to go around Redcar east for some reason.

The Redcar CLP seemed very split on her too going off the one meeting I attended. That said it was so chaotic and petty I never went back to another one.
 
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