5 managers, 76 new signings

It’s all speculation at this point but the summer signings were a real dogs dinner with players signed like Hoppe and Forssa that Wilder simply didn’t fancy. I think Wilder thought we were going to do another Monk and blow £25m from sales on the marquee signings he wanted. The reality and financial situation it seems simply didn’t support that and for me there has been clear tension and a disconnect ever since. Wilder was grumpy about the squad he was left with and rather than doing the best with what you have he seemed to go big sulk and sought to prove the signings were sub standard. It will be interesting to see what a new manager does with the same 11 but please don’t leave Leo in charge for more than a minute longer than necessary. UTB
 
Totally agree with the vast majority of the posts. We seem to be going from one crisis to another with no real coherent plan. Buy some players the manager wants, waste money on others he doesn't care for. Similar thing happened with Warnock. The next guy needs a clear brief which he has very much bought into.
I guess the aim for this season is survival unfortunately!
 
The more time that passes the more that the likes of Aitor Karanka and Tony Pulis continue to be proven 100% correct.

Karanka got us promoted after years in the wilderness, and they repaid the favour by handing him 3 Championship players in the January window.

Pullis identified several players he wanted but the club instead chose to sign the likes of Saville and Hugill.

Warnock left criticising the recruitment team, Wilder wanted Viktor Gyökeres and was instead given Hoppe and Forss.

The problem is Steve Gibson, and it has been Steve Gibson for many, many years.

I don't know how many managers we need to go through before people see it.
 
InglebyUTB said:
The more time that passes the more that the likes of Aitor Karanka and Tony Pulis continue to be proven 100% correct.

Karanka got us promoted after years in the wilderness, and they repaid the favour by handing him 3 Championship players in the January window.

Pullis identified several players he wanted but the club instead chose to sign the likes of Saville and Hugill.

Warnock left criticising the recruitment team, Wilder wanted Viktor Gyökeres and was instead given Hoppe and Forss.

The problem is Steve Gibson, and it has been Steve Gibson for many, many years.

I don't know how many managers we need to go through before people see it.
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It is staggering that many people just won't see it.
 
Monk - had to go and he's disappeared from view since Gibson sacked him

Pulis - he might have been asked to have a look at the overall club set up, but he turned a decent squad into a team of hoofers, and cut his nose off to spite his face with his tactics in the playoffs and treatment of our better players. No one was sad to see him leave, and he can hardly feel hard done by at the end of his time.

Woodgate - club seemed to accept mediocrity and a long term strategy of polishing cheap rough diamonds (many of them still in the squad today) but Woodgate was undone by COVID-19 and just not having the experience around him. Survival in the league became survival of the entire club as a going concern and you had to bring Warnock in.

Warnock - saved us from relegation and likely oblivion in league one. But football in the second season was a grind, and if crowds had been allowed in, I expect there would have been more pressure on him over performances. It was clear his final season was going to be the Neil Warnock Retirement Tour, along with his mates Blackwell and Jepson, and there's only a few people still holding a candle for him and his football.

Wilder. He's a bit David Brent, isn't he? All management speak and platitudes which sound great when the results are coming in, but it unravels quickly. I think he basically believed his own hype too much, never had a clear vision about what he wanted to do with Boro, and there's been a parting of the ways since the transfer window shut.

However, I think the thread through all this is what do the club actually want to achieve and is this communicated clearly enough to the managers/coaches? The Wilder stuff feels to me like one person being promised one vision while another group of people are working in a completely different direction.
 
InglebyUTB said:
The more time that passes the more that the likes of Aitor Karanka and Tony Pulis continue to be proven 100% correct.

Karanka got us promoted after years in the wilderness, and they repaid the favour by handing him 3 Championship players in the January window.

Pullis identified several players he wanted but the club instead chose to sign the likes of Saville and Hugill.

Warnock left criticising the recruitment team, Wilder wanted Viktor Gyökeres and was instead given Hoppe and Forss.

The problem is Steve Gibson, and it has been Steve Gibson for many, many years.

I don't know how many managers we need to go through before people see it.
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I think the trouble is there is wanting players and there is being able to get players. Spending 25 million on gyokeres would be absolute lunacy in my opinion. Would you really be comfortable with that?

And I'm not sure who Pulis is identifying. Saville and that big centreback lump seem 100% Pulis players. He absolutely killed is by selling Bamford to bring in a player he wanted - hughill.

But it is undoubted that if the manager is not going to be the final voice in transfer business we need someone who buys into that. A coach in other words.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I think the trouble is there is wanting players and there is being able to get players. Spending 25 million on gyokeres would be absolute lunacy in my opinion. Would you really be comfortable with that?

And I'm not sure who Pulis is identifying. Saville and that big centreback lump seem 100% Pulis players. He absolutely killed is by selling Bamford to bring in a player he wanted - hughill.

But it is undoubted that if the manager is not going to be the final voice in transfer business we need someone who buys into that. A coach in other words.
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I know Matt Richie and Yannick Bolasie were two of them, we should Bolasie around but the club dithered and Villa gazumped us. Ended up with Saville instead, club thought he could develop into a top box to box player.

Pulis did not want Jordan Hugill, he was a recruitment signing.
 
And maybe an invitation for other investors / shareholders into the club alongside Mr Gibson?
 
Glover_elbow said:
People do see it however the bottom line was wilder was an additional problem above the recruitment. We have cleared that lets hope with Scott and Jones we can improve recruitment
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Why was Wilder an additional problem, is that in the same vein that Warnock, Pulis, Karanka were additional problems, the common denominator they all had problems with recruitment, which ultimately lies with Gibson. Let's be honest here, Wilder did not get the players he identified as being required in the Summer, those being a proven Championship goalscorer, capable of 15-20 goals, nor quality midfield players, which is at least 2 considering the loss of Tav. When Wilder arrived it was with a stated aim of promotion, therefore Gibson knew of his ambitions and requirements but simply did not deliver on those agreements.
 
Glover_elbow said:
People do see it however the bottom line was wilder was an additional problem above the recruitment. We have cleared that lets hope with Scott and Jones we can improve recruitment
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You expect us to have faith with the people who mastermind this transfer window?
 
r00fie1 said:
And maybe an invitation for other investors / shareholders into the club alongside Mr Gibson?
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Roofie not sure about you. Do you fail to realise our financial plight or choose just to ignore it? Who in their right mind would invest in us?

Anyway, our dictator would not welcome any meddling into how the club reaches decisions - end of
 
r00fie1 said:
And maybe an invitation for other investors / shareholders into the club alongside Mr Gibson?
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Gibson had the opportunity a number of years ago, but insisted he retain controlling share and ultimate say.

Which sane investor would inject huge funds into the club and leave the running of it to a man who has been such a football disaster since 2006?
He will never let it go.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
Monk - had to go and he's disappeared from view since Gibson sacked him

Pulis - he might have been asked to have a look at the overall club set up, but he turned a decent squad into a team of hoofers, and cut his nose off to spite his face with his tactics in the playoffs and treatment of our better players. No one was sad to see him leave, and he can hardly feel hard done by at the end of his time.

Woodgate - club seemed to accept mediocrity and a long term strategy of polishing cheap rough diamonds (many of them still in the squad today) but Woodgate was undone by COVID-19 and just not having the experience around him. Survival in the league became survival of the entire club as a going concern and you had to bring Warnock in.

Warnock - saved us from relegation and likely oblivion in league one. But football in the second season was a grind, and if crowds had been allowed in, I expect there would have been more pressure on him over performances. It was clear his final season was going to be the Neil Warnock Retirement Tour, along with his mates Blackwell and Jepson, and there's only a few people still holding a candle for him and his football.

Wilder. He's a bit David Brent, isn't he? All management speak and platitudes which sound great when the results are coming in, but it unravels quickly. I think he basically believed his own hype too much, never had a clear vision about what he wanted to do with Boro, and there's been a parting of the ways since the transfer window shut.

However, I think the thread through all this is what do the club actually want to achieve and is this communicated clearly enough to the managers/coaches? The Wilder stuff feels to me like one person being promised one vision while another group of people are working in a completely different direction.
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The biggest common denominator with all those is none of them will have any managerial success post Boro. That's how bad they all are
 
Shuggie said:
Why was Wilder an additional problem, is that in the same vein that Warnock, Pulis, Karanka were additional problems, the common denominator they all had problems with recruitment, which ultimately lies with Gibson. Let's be honest here, Wilder did not get the players he identified as being required in the Summer, those being a proven Championship goalscorer, capable of 15-20 goals, nor quality midfield players, which is at least 2 considering the loss of Tav. When Wilder arrived it was with a stated aim of promotion, therefore Gibson knew of his ambitions and requirements but simply did not deliver on those agreements.
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Wilder was am additional problem as he would start a ruckus in an empty room. He had a choice when he didn't get his signings knuckle down to the task, or behave like petulant príck guess which one he chose. Things do need to change all-round but getting rid of wilder is a giant step forward
 
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