5 managers, 76 new signings

Totally agree MoggasDog.
But it feels like this traditional move-up-the-leagues escalator has malfunctioned somehow.
Perhaps PL teams picking up these players then sticking them out on loan?

What I really dislike is the lack of 'peril' with rich PL Clubs.
They are able to throw money around with little worry about any negative consequence.
They can sign 3 strikers and be happy if 1 sticks.

I think it's incredibly hard for owners like Gibson to compete in such markets.
Imagine how hard it was for him to watch Assombolonga week in-week out for FOUR YEARS on over £50k per week (a salary figure backed up by a young player we used to have on the club books).

I know we are all frustrated where the Club currently is but the football business 'model' is broken.

We have a small window of opportunity with recent cash inflows.
But, by God we have to be wise with it.
Perhaps we didn't bust the bank in the summer due to worries about trust issues with the ex-manager????
 
But the loans keep coming in because the fees are so high.
Yes we MIGHT be now be flying in the league with Gyorkores knocking in the goals.
But - we might be back to the Monk/Assombolonga situation.
Committed to watching an overpaid misfiring striker until 2026 while they guy who bought him plies his trade elsewhere.

Very high stakes.
Needs balls of steel to take those risks.
 
In all honesty I think Gibson recognised this himself and it is why he brought in K Scott.

He has tried to focus on young signings that would not leave us stuck with another assombalonga.

I am sure he was also frustrated with the summer, but looking for value/building might take years rather than overspending.

Worth to back it for a few years.
 
I have to agree about the clubs poor decision making since we lost Mclaren.

Not backing Karanka, giving Monk stupid money, thinking Woodgate would work, letting Pulis take the squad back to the dark ages.

That said, I think Wilder with going, the wording of the statement is very telling.

I can't expect he'll get the payoff he's been holding out for and the lack of business we did in terms of big fees spent is a sign he wasn't trusted.

As an aside, I don't think Bausor is any great shakes.
 
This thread has pretty much nailed my feelings as well.

The proof is the pudding I guess with the HoF approach - but this appointment will be very telling.

I do think we need to commit long term though. Parachute payments are (and will continue to) massively distort this league. I think it's unlikely we will achieve automatic at any point with the PP regime in place.

22 teams are therefore playing for four positions and it's generally not "luck" if you get there. Look at Brentford - long term strategy, stuck with it, reaped rewards.

The continual overhaul of the squad is completely unsustainable in my opinion - we only have to look at those lunatics up the road for proof of that.
 
changingman said:
This thread has pretty much nailed my feelings as well.

The proof is the pudding I guess with the HoF approach - but this appointment will be very telling.

I do think we need to commit long term though. Parachute payments are (and will continue to) massively distort this league. I think it's unlikely we will achieve automatic at any point with the PP regime in place.

22 teams are therefore playing for four positions and it's generally not "luck" if you get there. Look at Brentford - long term strategy, stuck with it, reaped rewards.

The continual overhaul of the squad is completely unsustainable in my opinion - we only have to look at those lunatics up the road for proof of that.
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I've posted before that this squad overhaul unsustainability is utter rubbish.
Brentford's player overhaul was massive over the 7 years it took to get up. Huge every season.
The difference is they recruited well and sold 7 quality players for big money.
Our recruitment has been pitiful since McLaren left.
 
The approach of Wilder seems to jar with the seemingly longer term sustainable approach being favoured by Gibson, evident by the signing of Scott and the summer transfer business (Hoppe, Forss etc), so I feel this was sadly inevitable.

Couple that with Wilders steadfast belief he was wronged when sacked by Sheff Utd and should have been given a prem job as his next gig and this was always going to happen when we didnt sneak up last season.
 
I think one of the things that sticks out is that 76 signings - that’s only seniors as well, not the likes of Sivi and Mahmutovic, etc - along with the youth team players, you’re getting on for 20 debuts every season. I remember writing about this back when Mowbray was in charge and we’d had 100 different players play for us in four or five years, so we’ve not moved on at all really. That’s almost a decade ago.

A lot has happened since then, or maybe nothing at all has happened. We’re a bit trapped in this cycle of constant chopping and changing now. The chairman had six permanent managers in his first 20 years in charge, he’s now looking for a 6th in 6 seasons. We’ve started to lose our way a bit. We say this every time but the next one has to be the right one.
 
JM14 said:
Another year of the same thing happening thanks to filling the squad with loans again. Those numbers tell the full story of just how badly run we are

But don’t dare criticise Gibson unless you’re willing to buy the club yourself
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He won’t sell his train set mate, he’s like Gollum in Lord of the Rings, it’s too precious.
 
Big_Nothing said:
I have to agree about the clubs poor decision making since we lost Mclaren.

Not backing Karanka, giving Monk stupid money, thinking Woodgate would work, letting Pulis take the squad back to the dark ages.

That said, I think Wilder with going, the wording of the statement is very telling.

I can't expect he'll get the payoff he's been holding out for and the lack of business we did in terms of big fees spent is a sign he wasn't trusted.

As an aside, I don't think Bausor is any great shakes.
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How was Karanka not backed? He wanted players who were unobtainable for whatever reason. I.e. the club wouldn't sell to a relegation rival, the player didn't want to come here. The reason he ended up with **** signings was he insisted to the very end he wanted those players and then we panic bought others at the last minute because he was too stubborn to look at other options.
 
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft said:
How was Karanka not backed? He wanted players who were unobtainable for whatever reason. I.e. the club wouldn't sell to a relegation rival, the player didn't want to come here. The reason he ended up with **** signings was he insisted to the very end he wanted those players and then we panic bought others at the last minute because he was too stubborn to look at other options.
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I think pulling gestede out as the Xmas cracker would be enough for anyone
 
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft said:
How was Karanka not backed? He wanted players who were unobtainable for whatever reason. I.e. the club wouldn't sell to a relegation rival, the player didn't want to come here. The reason he ended up with **** signings was he insisted to the very end he wanted those players and then we panic bought others at the last minute because he was too stubborn to look at other options.
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The transfer spend in the summer of 2016 was pathetic, woefully inadequate. Frees, loans and prospects, wasting the club's best opportunity for almost a decade.
Sound familiar?
 
How do you think Karanka was backed? Especially in Jan? Even the summer other than one or two good signings we weren't where we should've been.
 
indeedido said:
I've posted before that this squad overhaul unsustainability is utter rubbish.
Brentford's player overhaul was massive over the 7 years it took to get up. Huge every season.
The difference is they recruited well and sold 7 quality players for big money.
Our recruitment has been pitiful since McLaren left.
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Yes, but they were recruiting to a template. They had a clear vision of the sort of football they wanted to play and the players who would fit the system. It's not the volume of transfers per se that's the issue, it's signing a load of players for philosophy A, sacking manager A and landing manager B (who has a differing philosophy) with manager A's players, none of whom are suitable.

It's the reason Pulis sold Bamford, because regardless of how "good" a player he was, he didn't fit the type of player was looking for. Which if anything, just underlines the complete madness of asking Pulis to succeed with a Gary Monk squad.

As you point out, Brentford's turnover was high as their best players were sold for profit with ready made replacements already identified.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
But will they get that time though? Wilder was supposed to be the one getting the time and support. Will the next bloke really get any longer than a year?
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Yeah, it all sounded great ("this is a big rebuild required", "will take us a few transfer windows") but in my view Wilder became impatient (too high player turnover too soon, pushing for too many new players whatever the cost, courting the job at Premier League/parachute payment clubs) and ultimately lost the plot (odd team selections, calling international footballers development projects, throwing players under the bus publicly). We do need to look long term and I don't think he could ultimately accept that despite what he said.
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
The approach of Wilder seems to jar with the seemingly longer term sustainable approach being favoured by Gibson, evident by the signing of Scott and the summer transfer business (Hoppe, Forss etc), so I feel this was sadly inevitable.

Couple that with Wilders steadfast belief he was wronged when sacked by Sheff Utd and should have been given a prem job as his next gig and this was always going to happen when we didnt sneak up last season.
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True, but why did both sides pretend to have a united approach? A waste of everyone's time (and Steve Gibson's money).
 
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