‘Playing out from the back’

StillCantPickAUsername said:
Disagree. We played that way for much of home leg with Coburn up there grafting but I think he lost the ball just about every single time it went near him. Chelsea are slow burners, they have struggled all season against teams that set up to be difficult to break down.

They didn’t have to break anyone down tonight cos we did it for them.
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Exactly.

We tried to match them and got exactly what we deserved, a battering.
 
Air Resistance said:
It’s much easier to play out from the back when you of the luxuries of…
Having any fit strikers
Having any available wingers
Having your first choice keeper
Having had any consistency in player availability in defence
Not playing against a team where multiple single players cost more than your whole squad.

As has been mentioned, it’s great when it works most weeks, but unless we stick with it we’ll never perfect it. I can barely think of two games in a row this season where we’ve had consistent players at the back, and that’s before you consider Engel, VDB, Bangura, Ayling etc… are all new to this team.
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You can play matt clarke for 50 games a season your not going to turn him into a ball playing centre back he simply hasnt the footballing ability
 
For Christs sake, earlier on people were banging on about us sitting deep and not having a go.

Now it’s all Carrick was mad to go toe to toe with Chelsea.

Our fans…. 🤣
 
StillCantPickAUsername said:
We had no outlet? Crooks and Rogers just not exist then?

We didn’t need to win. We didn’t need an outlet to get in behind them, we needed the ball away from their billion pound strike force. To argue against that now after getting smashed 6-1 by our own mistakes is bonkers. Make a mistake up top and it means nothing. Make mistake after mistake at the back and you get smashed like we did.
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For most of the game, no they didn't. The ball didn't stick, they didn't show enough and both gave it away too easily. Neither have any pace to get behind so it kept coming back. And that's not their fault, as a whole we just weren't good enough and didn't have players around them.

At the end of the day, our most expensive player, if I'm recalling correctly was Howson, bought 6 years ago for £5 million. They probably spent that in wages in the 90 minutes of the match. Over the two legs 6-2 is probably a generous score. Forget to tonight, yes it's disappointing but we need to regroup, get players back and smash the Makems
 
Wistow_Red said:
For most of the game, no they didn't. The ball didn't stick, they didn't show enough and both gave it away too easily. Neither have any pace to get behind so it kept coming back. And that's not their fault, as a whole we just weren't good enough and didn't have players around them.

At the end of the day, our most expensive player, if I'm recalling correctly was Howson, bought 6 years ago for £5 million. They probably spent that in wages in the 90 minutes of the match. Over the two legs 6-2 is probably a generous score. Forget to tonight, yes it's disappointing but we need to regroup, get players back and smash the Makems
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We didn’t play long tonight for them to hold up anything 😂

Anyway you’re right about the overall, it was a free hit and whether we think he got it right 👀 or he got it wrong 😉 we move on and rebuild ready to smash the mackems 👊✊🏼
 
InglebyUTB said:
He didn’t go toe to toe with them in first game, he nullified them.
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What I’m saying is he’s shown he can put in a top tactical display against them. Tonight he got it wrong maybe yeah. Wasn’t helped by the Jones injury. If Jones was fit then we probably would have deployed the same tactics. Hugills fault.
 
Air Resistance said:
It’s much easier to play out from the back when you of the luxuries of…
Having any fit strikers
Having any available wingers
Having your first choice keeper
Having had any consistency in player availability in defence
Not playing against a team where multiple single players cost more than your whole squad.

As has been mentioned, it’s great when it works most weeks, but unless we stick with it we’ll never perfect it. I can barely think of two games in a row this season where we’ve had consistent players at the back, and that’s before you consider Engel, VDB, Bangura, Ayling etc… are all new to this team.
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Nail on head there!
 
It might look naive but we are who we are, we’re always going to play out from the back.

Sometimes it goes horribly wrong and looks so bad when it does. Chelsea were utterly clinical tonight, which is unusual for them, was it four shots and four goals first half?

I don’t generally love it as a tactic because your worst ball players are on the ball so much and when it breaks down it’s so dangerous, but there’s a reason everybody including Pep Guardiola and Michael Carrick use it and I promise you they know far more about football than me.
 
Nano said:
Completely disagree. Our players will never get better to the degree needed to be able to compete with a team that cost £1bn. It's about knowing your limits and adapting to situations.
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But we have adapted in games like this, Leicester/Villa but we were unable to as we have so many injured and so many not fit.

Have a watch of the villa game again and watch some of the passing in and around our box, It was superb. I would disagree and say we are capable, but with a stronger / fitter team.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Um, no we didn’t.
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Um, we did. If you think we didn’t you know nothing about football.

They went 4-2-3-1 first leg and we started 5-3-2 and changed formation several times in an attempt to nullify them, and barring a few mistakes it worked. Last 20 mins Carrick even instructed us to stop playing out from the back.

Tonight we went 4-2-3-1 vs 4-2-3-1. They have far better players so it was always going to be a disaster.
 
We missed our pace with jones and lath. Also, they had the weekend off and that was always going to be a massive advantage on top of the billion pound squad and our injuries
 
I’m not going to overly criticise MC as Chelsea would almost certainly have beaten us easily anyway. We aren’t close to their level. We needed to be at our best and have them screw up badly to have a chance. Neither happened.

But our tactics were naive tonight. Playing out from the back every time might work against Rotherham or Huddersfield. Not when you have 5 or 6 top international players closing you down.

I was worried after 10 minutes when Glover started rolling it out immediately every time he got the ball. What’s wrong with waiting 10-20 seconds? We were ahead on aggregate at that point. We played like we were chasing the game.

Play it to Crooks on halfway and get a few players around him for the 2nd balls. Only play out when Chelsea don’t have half their team pressing us. You don’t necessarily need pace when you haven’t got much possession, just a bit of common sense. At least make them work for it.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Um, we did. If you think we didn’t you know nothing about football.

They went 4-2-3-1 first leg and we started 5-3-2 and changed formation several times in an attempt to nullify them, and barring a few mistakes it worked. Last 20 mins Carrick even instructed us to stop playing out from the back.

Tonight we went 4-2-3-1 vs 4-2-3-1. They have far better players so it was always going to be a disaster.
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We didn't "nullify" them by doing that, they missed numerous great chances and were still a consistent threat.

To nullify them would be to limit the above.

By far the biggest factor in both games was scoring after 15 minutes.
 
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