‘Playing out from the back’

MidlandsBoroFan said:
It also leads to us “getting out” multiple times in most games we play. This leads to us creating plenty of chances. The fact that we miss them is possibly why you can’t see the benefits. If we were more clinical we’d have scored a bunch of goals this season as a direct result of playing out from the back.
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This 100%

I don’t think we are that bad from playing out from the back - Carricks record as manager would back that up too.

We do struggle at times in transition from moving the ball forward between the back line and the forward players, or we make the pass and the ball doesn’t stick.

The main difference this season is no Akpom. Last year he would consistently pick the spaces and even take the ball in tight areas and move out, turn and start attecks (The 20+ goals helped too).

This season we haven’t had anybody to replicate Akpom (hardly surprising as he was unbelievable last year).

McGree was starting to be that man who kept us ticking but he then got injured.

Greenwood isn’t good enough to do it. Rogers is starting to become a lot better but he’s still a bit sloppy in possession and by the looks of it, he’s not going to be with us long enough to see the finished article.
 
On The Bob said:
We do struggle at times in transition from moving the ball forward between the back line and the forward players, or we make the pass and the ball doesn’t stick.
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transition is the point where possession switches over.

Positive transition (when we win the ball): We don't often play fast counter attack, and we couldn't as we had no pace up front through injuries. Jones on the positive transition caused chelsea all kinds of problems in the first leg.

Negative transition (when we lose the ball): when we lost the ball in defense or midfield last night, through Chelseas high press, yes, we struggled to contain them and they scored most of their goals through this. That's what happens when world class players win it high and get overloads. We had to make less errors that we did otherwise we get 6-1'd. It is our defensive achilles heel, we are vulnerable on the counter, through having a chopped and changed defense and through no dedicated CDM
 
It quite simply just showed the difference in class from the Championship to the Premier League. We got punished for every bad pass last night and the lack of pace in our back four gave us no chance to recovering. The 1st leg, everything went our way. Last night, Chelsea turned up and we showed why we are where we are - capable of some tidy football and capable of making mistakes. Chelsea punished us as most top team would in the same situation
 
Playing out from the back is one thing, playing suicidal balls is another. We have way too much of the latter. In the Championship you can get away with it but as we saw last night and Burnley are showing all season, you can't in the Premier. To me it only makes sense if you have the players to do it successfully. I'm not sure we have - even at Championship level.
 
JaenBoro said:
Playing out from the back is one thing, playing suicidal balls is another. We have way too much of the latter. In the Championship you can get away with it but as we saw last night and Burnley are showing all season, you can't in the Premier. To me it only makes sense if you have the players to do it successfully. I'm not sure we have - even at Championship level.
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I can't think of many goals we've conceded at Champ level from playing out from the back. We've given a few opportunities and not been punished, but that's fine.

You need to keep the pitch long and wide to create the space and options. Our FBs were staying wide, but because we didn't have the speed up top, then the pitch lost it's length. The Chelsea defenders pushed up, that allowed their midfield to push on us and be ultra aggressive. If we had Latte Lath and/or Jones, it could have been very different, Chelseas CBs would have had to drop 20 yards, that would create space between their midfield and defense, we could exploit that or chelsea would have had to drop their midfield to cover that threat, which would then have freed us up to play from teh back and find players between the lines.

Last night was a knock on effect from Jones and Lath's injuries.

We had to take the risk, because long ball just wouldn't work without pace. Sods law, we lost key players prior to this match
 
We couldn’t play the long ball last night because the dirty b@st@rds knacked Lath and Bangura with their sneaky follow through’s in the first leg. Add to that gormless Hugill and that tactic became a total non starter.
 
WoodallServices said:
We couldn’t play the long ball last night because the dirty b@st@rds knacked Lath and Bangura with their sneaky follow through’s in the first leg. Add to that gormless Hugill and that tactic became a total non starter.
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Ive heard this comment numerous times and i think its absolute nonsense. Both rogers and forss have pace to get behind in the channels. Rogers and crooks our both well over 6ft tall to compete aerially.
 
Watching Chelsea knock it about showed where we need to get to. their players can stop the ball with one foot and with the next touch pass it on with the other whilst we have too many players who need too many touches before moving the ball on.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Ive heard this comment numerous times and i think its absolute nonsense. Both rogers and forss have pace to get behind in the channels. Rogers and crooks our both well over 6ft tall to compete aerially.
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They’re not slow but they’re significantly slower than jones and lath
 
WoodallServices said:
Watching Chelsea knock it about showed where we need to get to. their players can stop the ball with one foot and with the next touch pass it on with the other whilst we have too many players who need too many touches before moving the ball on.
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Very true pretty much all new signings have to have sound two footed technical ability from now on
 
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