Chappy112
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Seems about right considering the size of the overspend, was never going to be points with it being on the low end of the minor overspend bracket. Reduction in wind tunnel time is damaging for them.
So Red Bull weren't 'well under' the cap as protested by Christian Horner?
Seems about right considering the size of the overspend, was never going to be points with it being on the low end of the minor overspend bracket. Reduction in wind tunnel time is damaging for them.
Red Bull believe they were and the FIA have said they've misinterpreted some stuff but that Red Bull never acted in bad faith or hid anything it was just a difference of interpretation as to what should be included and what shouldn't. Red Bull felt they were $4m under and the FIA think they were $2.2m over.So Red Bull weren't 'well under' the cap as protested by Christian Horner?
Wonder if he's still pursuing legal action for those 'deflammatory' comments.
Like I say, how did the other 9 teams manage to avoid a misinterpretation of the regulations yet a group of global companies under the Red Bull banner with CFOs coming out of their ears somehow couldn't understand the regulations?Red Bull believe they were and the FIA have said they've misinterpreted some stuff but that Red Bull never acted in bad faith or hid anything it was just a difference of interpretation as to what should be included and what shouldn't. Red Bull felt they were $4m under and the FIA think they were $2.2m over.
It's called plausible deniability and a whitewashRed Bull believe they were and the FIA have said they've misinterpreted some stuff but that Red Bull never acted in bad faith or hid anything it was just a difference of interpretation as to what should be included and what shouldn't. Red Bull felt they were $4m under and the FIA think they were $2.2m over.
We don't know if they did avoid a misinterpretation though, we just know that they didn't go over. If Red Bull had left a $6.2m buffer rather than $4m then we wouldn't know that Red Bull misinterpreted anything either.Like I say, how did the other 9 teams manage to avoid a misinterpretation of the regulations yet a group of global companies under the Red Bull banner with CFOs coming out of their ears somehow couldn't understand the regulations?
Why does size of the overspend matter? If you breach a technical regulation you breach it. Even by 0.1mm.
Seems about right considering the size of the overspend, was never going to be points with it being on the low end of the minor overspend bracket. Reduction in wind tunnel time is damaging for them.
Because there is a list of potential punishments, surely those punishments should scale with the overspend or possibly if you did it in bad faith. Even Toto said the same thing, if it’s 1 or 2 million then it’s not realistic to deduct points because that is on the upper end of the minor sporting penalties.Why does size of the overspend matter? If you breach a technical regulation you breach it. Even by 0.1mm.
Why is financial doping different?
Ross Brawn said the cost cap regulations would have teeth. I guess he lied
I think the issue here and I see it a lot in football is that you’re saying what you think should happen based on how you believe the sport should be regulated whereas I say what should happen based on having read the rules.Why does size of the overspend matter? If you breach a technical regulation you breach it. Even by 0.1mm.
Why is financial doping different?
I don’t see the difference: a 0.1mm breach of technical regulations will give the same penalty as a 10mm breach but I presume the 10mm breach would give a faster car?Because there is a list of potential punishments, surely those punishments should scale with the overspend or possibly if you did it in bad faith. Even Toto said the same thing, if it’s 1 or 2 million then it’s not realistic to deduct points because that is on the upper end of the minor sporting penalties.
I do think that the penalties should be way clearer than they are but as they stand I think they got the punishment about right. It should be automatic wind tunnel time reduction or points depending on the amount spent.
The FIA leave far too much open to interpretation and debate.
The difference straight away is a technical vs financial breachI don’t see the difference: a 0.1mm breach of technical regulations will give the same penalty as a 10mm breach but I presume the 10mm breach would give a faster car?
But still a breach of the rules, but anyway it doesn’t matter because Christian Horner says Red Bill didn’t benefit from the breach so all is good and the world can sleep easyThe difference straight away is a technical vs financial breach
Probably doesn't even level up the advantaged they've gained and carried forwards, so that's no punishment at all.$7m is peanuts to Red Bull and they only lose 3 runs out of 28 in the wind tunnel.
It absolutely stinks
Yep but that's how the technical regulations work, if you do not comply with the technical regs then it is an automatic disqualification as far as I'm aware. This is different to the financial regulations. You can argue that it should be the same in that if you break the financial regulations then it should be an automatic disqualification and I wouldn't disagree with that to be honest but as it stands that is not how the rules are written unfortunately.I don’t see the difference: a 0.1mm breach of technical regulations will give the same penalty as a 10mm breach but I presume the 10mm breach would give a faster car?
What's the point of it being called a cap if you can overspend and effectively get away with it? £1 overspend should trigger effective penalties to ensure compliance.
Seems about right considering the size of the overspend, was never going to be points with it being on the low end of the minor overspend bracket. Reduction in wind tunnel time is damaging for them.
I wonder if any of the teams are considering complaining to CAS over this?Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says breaching F1 cost cap not worth 'reputational damage' after Red Bull punished by FIA
Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff has praised the FIA for takingwww.skysports.com
McLaren definitely unhappy.I wonder if any of the teams are considering complaining to CAS over this?