From the outside looking in we are an absolute shambles

Whilst it's certainly not ideal needing circa 8-9 players going into week 1 I'd have confidence in Wilder achieving with a much weaker squad than ours.
 
fassy said:
Think it’s the lack of foresight that this would happen. Allowing yourself to start a season with 3 first team midfielders and 2 strikers. Slightly shambolic. We would be pointing and laughing if this was up the road.
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When does the transfer window close?
 
On the face of it we have around £25 million in sales for two players one of whom made it very clear he effectively wouldn’t turn out for us again.

MT looks like he wanted to leave. Do people think it is a good idea to keep players who want to be elsewhere?

People are complaining about the fee but you can only get what the market will pay. Comparing the fee to what others are getting for different players being sold to different clubs is pointless.

I am much more concerned about the goal scoring issue. If we sign Forrs and Hoppe are they going to get us the goals we need? They both look like projects to me.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
True but the OP is correct with the thread title. We are being tipped as one of the favourites to go up, but looking at the squad now that looks pie in the sky. We all know goals are our problem, and that problem is no where near being solved, and on top of that we look like losing our best midfielder, who is influential both defensively and offensively, on the eve of the new season - if i was Wilder I’d be fuming and rightly asking what our recruitment team have been doing since May.
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I think Wilder's obviously been involved in targeting players and knows the difficulties and has already stated that we're waiting on clubs allowing players to join us. Who knows, he may have given the nod on the Tav deal? But yeah I'm sure he's frustrated

I don't think those doing predictions look that deeply really, it's a big waste of time, they should do it end of August really.
 
wilkos_perm said:
I think Wilder's obviously been involved in targeting players and knows the difficulties and has already stated that we're waiting on clubs allowing players to join us. Who knows, he may have given the nod on the Tav deal? But yeah I'm sure he's frustrated

I don't think those doing predictions look that deeply really, it's a big waste of time, they should do it end of August really.
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That’s true, it’s not possible to give an educated guess on how we’ll do until the transfer window closes. Our position as one of the favourites to go up is based mostly on expectations at the moment, but as the squad stands i think most of us would say we probably wouldn’t make the play offs even
 
Whilst Tav leaving is disappointing so close to the season, it was always on the cards prior to spence I always thought he would be our most valuable asset.
Tav is a good player but very replaceable in the championship, Crooks was bought for 1 mill scored 11 goals and had assists but was also a crucial part to our right hand side and Jones assists.
Isaih jones was a free agent, he would probably go if 10m was on the table.
Unfortunately we are a selling club as we are at the moment an average champo team with potential to be better, just like sheff u previously with wilder there midfield had work horses bought for nothing, I wish tav all the best and we as a club have a month to sort our transfers out, we still have a good starting squad, yes forwards are weak but they where all last season so losing balogun and Connelly and replacing with Akpom for now is pretty much the same so no issues for now providing we get some players through the door.
 
BoroMart said:
absolutely this and we'll have a fair amount of money to burn, in fact, Gyokeres could be back on the table, even at 12m
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£12m for Tav is good business in my opinion. It’s £12m for a player who could leave for free this time next season. In addition, Tav works hard, gets through some miles on the pitch BUT also does not create or score nearly enough goals. Take the money and get 2 or 3 players who make us better.
 
Teesside_Steel said:
£12m for Tav is good business in my opinion. It’s £12m for a player who could leave for free this time next season. In addition, Tav works hard, gets through some miles on the pitch BUT also does not create or score nearly enough goals. Take the money and get 2 or 3 players who make us better.
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I still think he is an excellent player and would have scored and created around 15 goals this season for us.

I do think his one footedness will hurt him in the prem though, his right foot is his standing foot.
 
I wonder if Gibson will resurrect his once customary annual rallying call/we want to smash the league eve of season statement to cheer everyone up now 😵‍💫
 
Angus said:
MT looks like he wanted to leave. Do people think it is a good idea to keep players who want to be elsewhere?
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I've got a feeling this is more about Wilder wanting the money to reshape the squad. 10m, can go a long way in the championship. We effectively have a near 40m FFP headroom to work with, depending on what Gibson is prepared to spend.

8m under last season + another year of the Monk Spunk year of the FFP window (5m) + Mel Morris Asshole tax (3m) + Forest promotion bonus Spence Fund (1.5m) + Spence sale 15m + Tav sale (10m) = 42.5m
 
I’m reasonably happy with our business - sen to have stalled a bit with the strikers but looks like that is back on track. I think by the end of the window our squad strength will be in the top three in the champo.
 
BoroMart said:
I've got a feeling this is more about Wilder wanting the money to reshape the squad. 10m, can go a long way in the championship. We effectively have a near 40m FFP headroom to work with, depending on what Gibson is prepared to spend.

8m under last season + another year of the Monk Spunk year of the FFP window (5m) + Mel Morris Asshole tax (3m) + Forest promotion bonus Spence Fund (1.5m) + Spence sale 15m + Tav sale (10m) = 42.5m
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we wont spend a quarter of that 42.5M
 
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