Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I think society influences government. And events impact society.Do you not think that governments influence greater society?
I think society influences government. And events impact society.Do you not think that governments influence greater society?
totally agree, it's absolutely baffling. But then it's not really about football, it's about people using football as a vehicle to let out their aggressive behavior.sadly these are not isolated incidents, there are still too many who think supporting your team and being vocal about it is a trigger for battle, why people cannot just accept that opposition fans feel for their team like they feel for theirs, and be civil about it I don't know
Exactly! For anybody who is interested about "ULTRAS" and their influence read "ULTRA" by Tobias Jones - scary stuff. Many of the groups are organised along political lines. No point in pointing the finger at right wing groups over there. The far left are equally as bad.I know the English get a bad press. I have to say the Italians are horrid f*ckers and use weapons. Apparently they were starting on people in Leicester yesterday afternoon. We saw when Boro went to Rome. They don't even attack other hooligans just anyone with a shirt on (usually not hooligans).
Not in the way that you are suggesting.Do you not think that governments influence greater society?
I have no doubt the majority are on Gear (coke). Mix that with all day drinking and not only does it make you feel 'harder' but also increases the amount you can drink.
Throw in 10-15 of them on it and it's a recipe for disaster. I saw 3 empty baggies at Cov just sat in the urinal.
I know the English get a bad press. I have to say the Italians are horrid f*ckers and use weapons. Apparently they were starting on people in Leicester yesterday afternoon. We saw when Boro went to Rome. They don't even attack other hooligans just anyone with a shirt on (usually not hooligans).
I read this morning that some Leicester fans have already canceled flights for the away game. I don't blame they as they have a right reputation. It's a sad state of affairs of you can't go and watch a team in Europe.
Hi - these and thankfully still isolated incidents, as said above. Home and away games are still normally fine for anyone in the family. And we need to make sure that never changes.Pretty much why I'm reluctant to take my kids to away games these days. Being surrounded by coked up nuggets isn't really an environment I want them in.
Hi - these and thankfully still isolated incidents, as said above. Home and away games are still normally fine for anyone in the family. And we need to make sure that never changes.
Moscow is a huge city and its been quite a while since an English team has been there - likewise Warsaw.leicester couldnt have picked three locations to visit that will give them potential for a kicking.
their best option for a meal the night before a match will be in Warsaw, and that will come with a health warning.
Naples is best avoided as a tourist, never mind for a visiting football supporter.
they'll be best advised to not start a couple of verses of ' gawd save the kween' whilst on their 'european tour'- like they did last night.
I think its fine. Its easy to stay away from them..... Well unless you want a poo and need a cubical. It's must be like a tardiss seeing how many come out.Pretty much why I'm reluctant to take my kids to away games these days. Being surrounded by coked up nuggets isn't really an environment I want them in.
culture always flows downhill, this isn't a socialist society and even then in socialist societies, the corrupt get to the top and change the narrative.I think society influences government. And events impact society.
in what way then?Not in the way that you are suggesting.
brexit is a symptom of the libertarian brigade, just as football violence and wider society anti-sociality are also symptomsSurprised no one has blamed Brexit yet
So we’ve had football violence for as long as any of us can remember - we’ve had two or three notable cases in the lastcouple of weeks and that’s not only the gvt fault but a symptom of brexit as well now. By that reasoning presumably European countries don’t have football violence then?brexit is a symptom of the libertarian brigade, just as football violence and wider society anti-sociality are also symptoms
Was only a few weeks ago Nice fans stormed the pitch against Marseille and a brawl broke out. Not sure what that says about current French society as they still remain a member of the EU.So we’ve had football violence for as long as any of us can remember - we’ve had two or three notable cases in the lastcouple of weeks and that’s not only the gvt fault but a symptom of brexit as well now. By that reasoning presumably European countries don’t have football violence then?
You need to re-read what I typed and work on your comprehension, I said brexit and increased violence at football and anti-social problems in society are all symptoms of moving to the more extreme end of right wing politics. Stop misquoting me. Italy, Hungary - far right governments = football violence. Germany - moderate left less violence, go figureSo we’ve had football violence for as long as any of us can remember - we’ve had two or three notable cases in the lastcouple of weeks and that’s not only the gvt fault but a symptom of brexit as well now. By that reasoning presumably European countries don’t have football violence then?
Keep diggingYou need to re-read what I typed and work on your comprehension, I said brexit and increased violence at football and anti-social problems in society are all symptoms of moving to the more extreme end of right wing politics. Stop misquoting me. Italy, Hungary - far right governments = football violence. Germany - moderate left less violence, go figure