Seems some fans are turning on Warnock

Block21 said:
Would you be disappointed to see him change his mind and leave? Or would you secretly think it could be the right time. I like him and he’s done a good job overall here but I’m apprehensive about another season under him. It’s a tough one for me.
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Honestly, after Pulis, monk etc etc Warnock has done great picking up this mess with no money like Pulis and monk had

it’s a tough one for you ?
hahahaha....
 
EI_Owen said:
Therein lies the problem. Our 3 best players all seem to be injury prone, we just can’t rely on them to play anything like a full season for us.
On paper the team looks ok, but that team is never on the pitch.
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So do what exactly ?
sack the manager cos gibbo has no money ?
Stop whinging and get behind the lads!!
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
So do what exactly ?
sack the manager cos gibbo has no money ?
Stop whinging and get behind the lads!!
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I’m not whinging, I’m making an observation, it’s unfortunate but those 3 are injury prone and it’s difficult to build a team around them. Isn’t that fact worth considering?
 
We’ve changed manager too much since we were relegated under Southgate, most of those changes needed to be made but the questionable initial appointments and inevitable instability has cost us over the years. I’d have loved to have seen Warnock take Southgates or Karankas relegated sides and see what he could do with more time than he seems to have now.

Give him the summer to build and see how we are after 10 or so games, I’d hope we are in contention but if it’s not working out then whoever comes next has to be able to work with what we have and not the constant overhauls we seem to need with each new manager.
 
I am shocked if anyone is turning on Warnock. Modern day fans want instant success and always blame the manager.
Warnock has been a breath of fresh air. He rescued us from Division 1 football, had us finishing 17th on 53 points. This last season 10th on 64 points. That is progress, clear progress.

The main issue for the fall off imho was far more to previous managers and upstairs in the running of the clubs recruitment. The people that built the squad from 2015/16 onwards built a squad of paceless, poor, overpaid, under achieving, selfish footballers, likely paid at levels that meant no other championship club would be interested leaving them unsellable and that they could go through the motions with a guaranteed income and see out a contract and leave for nothing thereby maximising their ability to secure their next deal without transfer fee. People like Gestede, Assombalonga, Fletcher have taken us for a ride and a soft touch, costing the club untold millions with little in return. When contracts run down, players protect themselves and do not give of their best they are more interested in their next deal. Terrible referreeing decisions have also been costly as has injuries to key players at key times with a limited squad to come in.

Warnock has done reasonably well with an unbalanced squad and a woeful bunch of forwards. He has looked at the u/23’s and is attempting to address the lack of quality and imbalance in the squad he inherited. He is doing so in unprecedented times. The club has no gate income and the chairman bailing out the club in millions (in part due to his own past mistakes). Warnock is having to be looking for needles in haystacks to find the bargains and gems that can knit with our core players. Changing managers frequently is a disastrous approach and will see us falling further. Fans need to let Warnock try to work the oracle he has elsewhere, next year will see him succeed or fail. Fans will hopefully be back where we belong. We need to get behind Warnock and Gibson at this point and by all pulling in the same direction to show our support. A divide in the connect between manager, fans and owner will result in failure. Recruitment is key. Next season we need to see further progress and more consistency.

Lets all hope Warnock and his team can identify the talent needed and that Bausor and Gibson can deliver the players needed, after all, that is undoubtedly the hard part whilst having little money to sweeten deals. 23 other Championship clubs will be fighting within the same pool and Middlesbrough have slipped down the ladder of those clubs seen as a good bet for automatic promotion. This is a big season for all connected with the club, fans included, lets do our bit and trust those within the club to do theirs.

UTB
 
We'd be foolish not to roll the dice on another season with Warnock It may work out, it may not, but one thing is certain, a new manager will not get us up in his first season starting with this squad. And does anybody have any great faith in who Gibson might choose?
 
Since his long spell at Sheffield United, he's stayed at ....

Palace - 30 months
QPR - 22 months
Leeds - 14 months
Palace - 4 months
QPR - 1 month
Rotherham - 4 months
Cardiff - 37 months

I know a couple of those were caretaker roles, but (I think) he's walked, or not extended his contract, from all these jobs rather than being sacked

I can see him walking in October / November time if we're not storming the league ..... which we won't be
 
It’s only one more year. I am not apprehensive in the slightest. We’re 10-12 places higher than we were when he took over. Top 6 next season. If we don’t make the play-offs we won’t be any further away than we are now at least, and if that happens he won’t stick around anyway.
 
Malaguena said:
Since his long spell at Sheffield United, he's stayed at ....

Palace - 30 months
QPR - 22 months
Leeds - 14 months
Palace - 4 months
QPR - 1 month
Rotherham - 4 months
Cardiff - 37 months

I know a couple of those were caretaker roles, but (I think) he's walked, or not extended his contract, from all these jobs rather than being sacked

I can see him walking in October / November time if we're not storming the league ..... which we won't be
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He was sacked by Palace the 2nd time, and sacked by QPR and Leeds.

The only one he's walked away from mid-season is Cardiff.
He left Rotherham in the summer after keeping them up, and left Palace the first time in the summer after keeping them up despite a 10 point deduction.
 
We are going to let him bring his own players in this summer (which judging by previous signings could be a disaster) for him to retire in the summer so the next manager will have another rebuild on their hands. Unless he gets us promoted next season which is extremely unlikely, then its just another season wasted for us.
I really thought he was the right manager for us, but the performances since January have been just as bad as what we saw under Woodgate, if we dont start next season well we could be even looking at relegation.
For years we have needed to bring someone in with a long term vision and give them time, these quick fix managers will just set us back long term.
 
JM14 said:
We are going to let him bring his own players in this summer (which judging by previous signings could be a disaster) for him to retire in the summer so the next manager will have another rebuild on their hands. Unless he gets us promoted next season which is extremely unlikely, then its just another season wasted for us.
I really thought he was the right manager for us, but the performances since January have been just as bad as what we saw under Woodgate, if we dont start next season well we could be even looking at relegation.
For years we have needed to bring someone in with a long term vision and give them time, these quick fix managers will just set us back long term.
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Monk was a long term plan, Woodgate was a long term plan. The problem with long term plans is that everyone has them until they get hit in the face.
 
He’s got to be worth one more season - his own players so then there can be no excuses. But definitely worth one more season.
 
Borotommo said:
We’re clearly n a terrible state. The club needs a radical overhaul, on the football side, and his experience will be vital. Not going to be pretty football, his way, but I’m trusting he’ll turn us round. We have to be realistic. Promotion next season should be a Hope rather than an expectation
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Of course, anyway who “expects” promotion next season is on another planet. We can hope but we can’t expect.
 
atypical_boro said:
Monk was a long term plan, Woodgate was a long term plan. The problem with long term plans is that everyone has them until they get hit in the face.
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That’s what I mean, you can’t have a long term plan but sack the manager in less than a season if things aren’t going to plan. Admittedly our hand was forced with Woodgate, but sacking Monk 6 months into spending a fortune on his own players was a backwards step
 
NW gets as much or more than can be eected from a very thin squad, which then runs out of steam. Nothing to see here, move on.
 
JM14 said:
That’s what I mean, you can’t have a long term plan but sack the manager in less than a season if things aren’t going to plan. Admittedly our hand was forced with Woodgate, but sacking Monk 6 months into spending a fortune on his own players was a backwards step
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He was sacked for off the pitch matters.
Blame Monk for that.
 
JM14 said:
That’s what I mean, you can’t have a long term plan but sack the manager in less than a season if things aren’t going to plan. Admittedly our hand was forced with Woodgate, but sacking Monk 6 months into spending a fortune on his own players was a backwards step
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Perhaps sacking Monk was a mistake but it sounds more like appointing him in the first place was. Fans don’t seem to believe Gibson is very good at appointing managers so we might as well stick with the current one until he starts taking us backwards. Currently we’re doing significantly better than when he took over with us hovering above relegation.
 
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Ingleby_Flash said:
NW gets as much or more than can be eected from a very thin squad, which then runs out of steam. Nothing to see here, move on.
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No sorry, he doesn't. The squad wasn't that thin. We had injuries but with his full squad we were just ticking along, when he strengthened we went downhill.

We have enough in the team for him to keep us up but his signings need to better than those he's so far made.
 
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