Seems some fans are turning on Warnock

Simply red said:
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is not a has been or a novice .
He is also out of contract soon.
He has learned his trade in the lower leagues , and has the character and charisma to be a success .
He would attract players , he also knows all the best players from the lower leagues , and his contacts in holland and elsewhere would mean we would scout wisely .
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I’d love jimmy but as long as he belongs to another club then forget it unless we change tack.
 
Simply red said:
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is not a has been or a novice .
He is also out of contract soon.
He has learned his trade in the lower leagues , and has the character and charisma to be a success .
He would attract players , he also knows all the best players from the lower leagues , and his contacts in holland and elsewhere would mean we would scout wisely .
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I'd be pretty happy if JFH came to the Boro.
 
Was not a fan of Warnock and although I've warmed to him, I'm not convinced. Someone described him to me as a more affable Tony Pullis. The football is similar but you get some good engagement with the fans from him.

If we start next season like we finished this one then I can't see him lasting to Christmas.
 
I don't really mind who or manager is. I care more about the long term goals of the club. How we aim to be sustainable, where we see ourselves on the football pyramid, what King of football are we aiming for, what's our player strategy.

Woodgate has shown that if he had the right set of players to play the way he wanted, he can get a tune out of them.

The manager isn't that important providing they are capable and are supported correctly and buy into the long term vision of the club.
 
Laughing said:
I don't really mind who or manager is. I care more about the long term goals of the club. How we aim to be sustainable, where we see ourselves on the football pyramid, what King of football are we aiming for, what's our player strategy.

Woodgate has shown that if he had the right set of players to play the way he wanted, he can get a tune out of them.

The manager isn't that important providing they are capable and are supported correctly and buy into the long term vision of the club.
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I disagree with this as woodgate effectively got into a running car and drove it

as he’s changed nothing they were a very good side at this level before he arrived. Let’s see how he copes from a dead start when he has to buy his own players etc.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I disagree with this as woodgate effectively got into a running car and drove it

as he’s changed nothing they were a very good side at this level before he arrived. Let’s see how he copes from a dead start when he has to buy his own players etc.
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Well see zorro, but to a large extent you support my viewpoint that the manager doesn't make a whole heap of difference so long as he is reasonably competent. The club setup is much more important.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Yep, and 1 season in the last 13.

Brentford have slowly improved over a few years thanks to a consistent strategy despite turnover in players and managers. They were in League 2 the year we got relegated under Southgate from the top flight. They‘ve had 5 seasons in the top flight in their history.
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No doubt. But they’re still yet to be in the PL, I wouldn’t swap places with them as things stand. Obviously I would if they go up.
 
I said weeks ago that sticking with Warnock is a bad idea in short and long term. Nothing since then has changed. Terrible if we give him carte blanche to do a massive rebuild job on the understanding next year will be his last. It makes zero sense. Plus his style of football and general know it-all demeanour is a massive turn off. Dinosaur thats jumped ship consistently since Shef Utd. Thank you for keeping us up last year, genuinely mean that but seen enough, i dont want to see anymore. He’ll end up selling players like Coulson, Spence, Wing that we should be developing. Hes just not up to it. Yet will persevere with Howson and Saville. It hasnt taken long for us to start going backwards under him and thats the only direction we’re headed with him in charge. Sorry if thats not what some want to hear but its true
 
atypical_boro said:
No doubt. But they’re still yet to be in the PL, I wouldn’t swap places with them as things stand. Obviously I would if they go up.
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Seriously? They have a 30 goal per season striker they could sell for £25m, plus other players capable of stepping up to the top flight that would net them millions and allow them to reinvest.

They play football the right way, have a discernible strategy with the long term good of the club at the heart and have a scouting / recruitment team that has produced year after year. The last 5 years for us have been utterly disastrous, you could argue the last 15 have with the exception of 2 years under Karanka when we seemed to have a long term plan only to through it away by acquiring a raft of mercenaries at the expense of those who’d bought into the vision and achieved promotion.
 
Laughing said:
The manager isn't that important providing they are capable and are supported correctly and buy into the long term vision of the club.
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Which poster was it that saw the film Moneyball & then kept repeating on here/old board something like "The role of the manager is at best overstated"?

Boksic?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Seriously? They have a 30 goal per season striker they could sell for £25m, plus other players capable of stepping up to the top flight that would net them millions and allow them to reinvest.

They play football the right way, have a discernible strategy with the long term good of the club at the heart and have a scouting / recruitment team that has produced year after year. The last 5 years for us have been utterly disastrous, you could argue the last 15 have with the exception of 2 years under Karanka when we seemed to have a long term plan only to through it away by acquiring a raft of mercenaries at the expense of those who’d bought into the vision and achieved promotion.
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Well not if it meant giving up our Carling Cup win, and other finals etc. My point is I’m not remotely envious, in the scheme of things, of Brentford as things stand.

Even if they go up I can imagine them being back down here within a year. And probably not in a very good financial position.
 
atypical_boro said:
Well not if it meant giving up our Carling Cup win, and other finals etc. My point is I’m not remotely envious, in the scheme of things, of Brentford as things stand.

Even if they go up I can imagine them being back down here within a year. And probably not in a very good financial position.
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I have to say the comment about not being in a good financial position - with respect that is utter rubbish. Promotion upwards of £200 million . Toney worth £25 million. The sad truth is they would be miles ahead of us financially.
 
Nosmo-King said:
I have to say the comment about not being in a good financial position - with respect that is utter rubbish. Promotion upwards of £200 million . Toney worth £25 million. The sad truth is they would be miles ahead of us financially.
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How are Huddersfield doing?
 
Davey_C said:
two of the bottom 3 turned us over 3-0 at home. not happy with the way the playoff push just suddenly came to a finish like it did but you either need a team that can take 1 chance and be solid at the back (karanka) or a team that'll score 3,4,5 goals (Robson) every other week and weve looked like neither this season .. no leadership either we need a nigel pearson or a paul ince (or one of each) for when the going gets tough plus 2 decent 15+ goal a season strikers
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I’ve said for a while we need a proper captain. Don’t think we’ve had one since the promotion season. Leadbitter wasn’t a regular in the Prem or the following Monk/Pulis season and I don’t think you can underestimate the value of a leader on the pitch.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Yes and he is still wrong

btw it wasn’t money it was soccernomics.
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It was a book called Soccernomics and he concluded the above line from it. I read the book and it is a fascinating read, changes your entire outlook on the game. Most people I tell about it though don’t have any interest in reading it which probably tells it’s own story.

There is certainly nothing “wrong” in it as it is based on decades and decades of data from around global football. But this sound bite he put together didn’t really tell the story of the book in a very marketable way.

The reality is though that there are actually not very many “good managers” who succeed in their careers in most of their jobs. The vast majority do ok in one job and badly in another. The reason for that is the financial/infrastructure of the clubs they’re at at the time. Probably the reason why Steve Gibson keeps making “bad” appointments.
 
Borobarmy said:
That’s a fair question . Naturally I like all others am disappointed at the way we just withered down to a pilot light this year , but he’s a very accomplished manager and I’m going to put my faith in his experience.
If he were sat with you he’d probably tell you things he’s already started and can’t tell the media as it’ll be giving things away . I’m expecting huge swathes of change probably right down to scouting etc .
Next season he will really be the ‘ boss ‘ as nearly all the deadwood will be gone and it will be his team , hence I’m going to stay optimistic . Finger on chin though 🤔
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The " huge swathes of change" is fine by me but if he is here for another year only, there will certainly be more swathes of change when we adopt a replacement for him.
I'd prefer some stability if he does make huge swathes of change. That's why my finger is on my chin also.
 
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