Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I'm not a racist, I just don't like black people.
Exactly - a sledgehammer has been taken to crack a peanut. A honestly think the long term effects on health over lock downs will be worse than CovidThousands of people die every day, NHS on its knees, other treatments get left, economy on its ****
On what metric and scale are you making this judgement?Exactly - a sledgehammer has been taken to crack a peanut. A honestly think the long term effects on health over lock downs will be worse than Covid
Whilst I agree that personal choice should be respected, the issue with anti vaxxers is the spread of misinformation. This puts vaccine strategies at risk of failing to protect populations in the way intendedI think from observing a lot of comments from both sides of the argument, it basically boils down to confirmation bias. You decide on whether or not the vaccine is a good thing based on personal variables such as your upbringing, your knowledge around immunisation including previous vaccines that you have received, your experience with Covid-19 and also the urgency and importance that taking the vaccine would have upon your life.
I'm neither for or against it at this moment in time. I don't believe it has been rushed, so to speak but I am concerned given Pfizer's previous track record around vaccines and the non-liable clause put into their current Covid-19 regime.
The current situation reminds me of that Ricky Gervais gag about those who become offended by topics they hold no control over. Seeing an advert in your local paper for guitar lessons and screaming "but I don't want f**king guitar lessons!!".
I don't have an issue with anti-vaxxers, end of the day it is their agenda and nobody is going to force them to have it. At the same time, nobody is going to alienate the public and disregard those who haven't taken it by not allowing them into social events, public areas or transport. I think we're a long, long way off reverting back to schedule and we just need to take a minute and a breathe to understand what vaccination and immunisation from this virus actually means.
Yeah, from illnesses that have been around a while, I agree. But this is a new illness and a new vaccine, people have every right to be scared/apprehensive of one OR the other.To be serious for a moment, I spend a fair bit of time in the US, and the whole anti vax things astounds me.
Some schools and colleges etc do not allow admission of students without vax certificates.
Personally, I think the greater good that vaccines bring outweighs personal choice. If you want to be a member of a functioning healthy society, then get vaccinated.
Vaccinations are the single most life-saving innovation ever in the history of mankind, and for modern day confidence in that to be eroded to the level it is today is a disaster. The fact that it can be traced back to one criminally idiotic US doctor is modern day tragedy, and IMHO he should be prosecuted for contributing to thousands of needless deaths..
On a number of things - general risk to the population as a whole relatively small. 1.5 million deaths world wide out of a population of 8 billion is minuscule especially when taken into account how deaths are being recorded. If we’d had a competent government here there would have far fewer deaths. Take a look around the world at other countries for evidence to back that up - Japan for example almost twice our population but less than 2500 deaths i think ?On what metric and scale are you making this judgement?
Tbh Buffalo they have not worked out if a vaccinated person cannot still pass on the bad thing if they come into contact with it and the vaccine is fighting it off.What about you not transmitting the virus to others who may not be as healthy etc as you?
Not even close Zorro, let me give you some examples, fire, the wheel the written word and penicillin have all contributed more to life than vaccinations.100% this
Bravo
Exactly - a sledgehammer has been taken to crack a peanut. A honestly think the long term effects on health over lock downs will be worse than Covid
Not even close Zorro, let me give you some examples, fire, the wheel the written word and penicillin have all contributed more to life than vaccinations.
I’m not convinced lock downs work - where’s the evidence they do ? Seems more like kicking the can down the road rather than solving anything also the social aspects of lock downs cause all sorts of other physical and mental health problems maybe if the NHS was funded properly they could deal with Covid AND everything else ? It’s not like the government weren’t warned about this - they were told in 2017 the NHS wasn’t prepared to deal with a pandemic and they did sweet FA about that warning.Not really another way though, high level of cases in an already stretched healthcare service will end in nothing but disaster, a lockdown in some form is needed to counter this which will then hit the economy. Not sure if any of that is avoidable in some form. Admittedly the UK looks to have take a bigger hit than most countries yet still has a higher death toll, but with this government what do people expect?
They have kicked the can down the road until a vaccine has been found though, which was surely the correct thing to do? Probably not if it was going to be 10 years until we had a vaccine but the fact we have one now has justified the lockdowns.I’m not convinced lock downs work - where’s the evidence they do ? Seems more like kicking the can down the road rather than solving anything also the social aspects of lock downs cause all sorts of other physical and mental health problems maybe if the NHS was funded properly they could deal with Covid AND everything else ? It’s not like the government weren’t warned about this - they were told in 2017 the NHS wasn’t prepared to deal with a pandemic and they did sweet FA about that warning.
Asi said earlier this government actively seeded Covid into care homes resulting in tens of thousands of avoidable deaths. That’s careless at best, corporate manslaughter at worst, depending on your view point
Sorry to read about your cousin.
I think people should way up the pros an cons and do what’s they feel is right for them regarding the vaccineChicken by name chicken by nature.
Only joking mate, I understand people concerns. Even though I’d take it myself as soon as I’m offered but I’ve always had a big set of nuts on me
octopi?If we've gone through the toilet fire of 2020 and thrown billions upon billions at covid, ruined people's livelyhoods and spent the whole year hiding under a table only for the vaccine to fail because people don't take it, I'm done with the human race. I'm going to go and live under the sea with the octopuses.
I don't think there is a single person who wouldn't take the vaccine if they knew it was definitely safe (ok, it probably is) and that covid was definitely likely to affect them in a big way (it doesn't for everyone and everyone has had different experiences with regards people they know). Sorry for your loss though.
In terms of cost of Covid, the National Institue for Health and Care Excellence's (NICE) guideline for approving a new treatment includes a measure of cost-effectiveness. It specifies that a treatment should produce at least 1 Qaly per £30000. A Qaly is 1 year of quality life. Measuring the financial cost-effectiveness of the covid effort so far is nigh-on impossible, but the lowest estimate I've read is £220k/qaly, and some into 7 figure numbersOn what metric and scale are you making this judgement?
Indeed, and some people don't take paracetamol when they have a headache, for that reason. We don't get on their cases about it though.We never take any drugs that are definitely safe. Here is the list of interaction for paracetamol:
British National Formulary