I have no time for anti vaxers at all

Some people will be anxious, that’s understandable. They need to be given the right information to address their concerns.
Communication is not one of our government’s greatest strengths though......

Then there are the clowns who deny the risk who will of course be negatively disposed to the vaccine.

Then there are those who are influenced by the above.
 
buffaloboro said:
Govt have had to borrow huge sums because of covid. I don't think they are making £ from it .
You said that fear is a great way it controlling people. I think this is correct but you're implying , I think, that there's some underlying agenda of control in play at the moment.
Yes, we can and will have to get on with our lives and from what we know, if we follow your guidelines infection rates will/should be lower. Yet, let's not forget that since march we've not been living how we did in the past. Do you think that rates would remain low if , without a vaccine, we went back to pre-march 2020 lifestyles?
That money they’ve “borrowed” is our money, tax payers money, that we the tax payer will be paying back - i think Covid will be seasonal like the flu so rates will fall in spring/summer and rise again in autumn/winter. In the end we’re just going to have to get on with it - who wants to live like a frightened rabbit for the rest of their lives. Be careful and live your lives i say



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buffaloboro said:
Govt have had to borrow huge sums because of covid. I don't think they are making £ from it .
You said that fear is a great way it controlling people. I think this is correct but you're implying , I think, that there's some underlying agenda of control in play at the moment.
Yes, we can and will have to get on with our lives and from what we know, if we follow your guidelines infection rates will/should be lower. Yet, let's not forget that since march we've not been living how we did in the past. Do you think that rates would remain low if , without a vaccine, we went back to pre-march 2020 lifestyles?
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Buffalo the start of your post demonstrates a lack of understanding. The money borrowed is payed back by tax payers and its often handed out to friends and family. It's exactly the set of circumstances a government use to enrich themselves and their donners.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
Or we could just get on with our lives, whilst being careful, good hygiene, masks indoors an on public transport etc. We’re exposed to viruses every day, they’ve been around a long time - Covid isn’t the Black Death, it really isn’t, half of us would be dead by now if it was. If the government had t handled things so badly from the start the actual death toll would be much lower than it is now. They actively seeded Covid into care homes remember where those at most risk were - absolutely criminal imo. Fear is a great way of controlling people and now there is big big money to be made out of this virus. People need to switch of the news, stop being scared to death and start looking at the bigger picture



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Yeah I agree with most of that, but the fact remains that we will never get back to any kind of normality whilst this is still circulating among us, and the more people that dont take a vaccine, the longer we will be living with restrictions
 
atypical_boro said:
Surely it’s reasonable to ask questions? If no one asked questions governments would be able to get us to do anything they want.

If 90% of the population didn’t want to be vaccinated, and wanted to deal with things by some other means, then surely that would just be democracy at play?

And it isn’t a coincidence that with Brexit looming we are the first state to approve the vaccine. Not saying it’s the “wrong” approach, but there is clearly a possibility of mistakes being made where this government is concerned.

I don’t believe in any secret agenda, but I don’t trust this government’s competency levels at all.
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I said in my first post that people are right to question it, it has to be up to the government to address the concerns that people have about this.

I guess they would be using their democratic right to kill people, if people enjoy living like this though then they have no need to be vaccinated
 
I know the health professionals and scientists are all fully behind vaccinations of all kinds, but on the other hand my Mam's hairdressers, cousins, dog groomer says that they are dangerous and a way for the government to track peoples movements. and she did 2 weeks of a BTEC in Herbal Medicine, so she should know what she is talking about right?
 
Billy69_uk said:
I know the health professionals and scientists are all fully behind vaccinations of all kinds, but on the other hand my Mam's hairdressers, cousins, dog groomer says that they are dangerous and a way for the government to track peoples movements. and she did 2 weeks of a BTEC in Herbal Medicine, so she should know what she is talking about right?
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No. Absolutely not. Unless she fact checks herself on YouTube
 
Billy69_uk said:
I know the health professionals and scientists are all fully behind vaccinations of all kinds, but on the other hand my Mam's hairdressers, cousins, dog groomer says that they are dangerous and a way for the government to track peoples movements. and she did 2 weeks of a BTEC in Herbal Medicine, so she should know what she is talking about right?
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Just to be safe I would check what matt le tissier says
 
JM14 said:
I said in my first post that people are right to question it, it has to be up to the government to address the concerns that people have about this.

I guess they would be using their democratic right to kill people, if people enjoy living like this though then they have no need to be vaccinated
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Its not about enjoying living like this though, is it?

If it was a choice, and I'm not saying it is, between a dangerous vaccine, and sticking with the status quo, I don't think it's unreasonable to choose the one that feels like the lesser of two evils.

I'm NOT saying the vaccine is dangerous, I'm just saying that the argument that 'we need to get out of this way of living at all costs' doesn't really stand up for everyone.
 
To be serious for a moment, I spend a fair bit of time in the US, and the whole anti vax things astounds me.

Some schools and colleges etc do not allow admission of students without vax certificates.

Personally, I think the greater good that vaccines bring outweighs personal choice. If you want to be a member of a functioning healthy society, then get vaccinated.

Vaccinations are the single most life-saving innovation ever in the history of mankind, and for modern day confidence in that to be eroded to the level it is today is a disaster. The fact that it can be traced back to one criminally idiotic US doctor is modern day tragedy, and IMHO he should be prosecuted for contributing to thousands of needless deaths..
 
zorro_mfc said:
I could care less about “bites” think those who know me know I don’t care about winning popularity contests I’m just raising an issue that on a forum like this anti vaxers and myth spreaders are a real concern.

Rob has said before that people that down play or deny the reality of the virus are harming others this is of that ilk.
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Couldn't. Otherwise the 'bites' are really bothering you.
 
JM14 said:
Yeah I agree with most of that, but the fact remains that we will never get back to any kind of normality whilst this is still circulating among us, and the more people that dont take a vaccine, the longer we will be living with restrictions
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What if people say we’ve had enough and we’re not doing what the government tells us anymore



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hewielewie said:
This is why I will take it.

My Cousin
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I don't think there is a single person who wouldn't take the vaccine if they knew it was definitely safe (ok, it probably is) and that covid was definitely likely to affect them in a big way (it doesn't for everyone and everyone has had different experiences with regards people they know). Sorry for your loss though.
 
Billy69_uk said:
I know the health professionals and scientists are all fully behind vaccinations of all kinds, but on the other hand my Mam's hairdressers, cousins, dog groomer says that they are dangerous and a way for the government to track peoples movements. and she did 2 weeks of a BTEC in Herbal Medicine, so she should know what she is talking about right?
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You say that in jest billy but that is about the sum of it for some people.

I’m not having it because...

.... well it’s bad in it and I don’t trust em
 
I think from observing a lot of comments from both sides of the argument, it basically boils down to confirmation bias. You decide on whether or not the vaccine is a good thing based on personal variables such as your upbringing, your knowledge around immunisation including previous vaccines that you have received, your experience with Covid-19 and also the urgency and importance that taking the vaccine would have upon your life.

I'm neither for or against it at this moment in time. I don't believe it has been rushed, so to speak but I am concerned given Pfizer's previous track record around vaccines and the non-liable clause put into their current Covid-19 regime.

The current situation reminds me of that Ricky Gervais gag about those who become offended by topics they hold no control over. Seeing an advert in your local paper for guitar lessons and screaming "but I don't want f**king guitar lessons!!".

I don't have an issue with anti-vaxxers, end of the day it is their agenda and nobody is going to force them to have it. At the same time, nobody is going to alienate the public and disregard those who haven't taken it by not allowing them into social events, public areas or transport. I think we're a long, long way off reverting back to schedule and we just need to take a minute and a breathe to understand what vaccination and immunisation from this virus actually means.
 
My Mother is in a care home, she has dementia and other chronic conditions.
We have not seen her for months.
My Father is 84 and rapidly going down hill cognitively and emotionally.
The Home she is in lost a number of patients to Covid in the first wave.
They have been "encouraged" by NYCC to accept Covid positive hospital patients who are isolating.

Numerous staff members have had Covid, several of them dangerously so involving hospitalisation.

I can't wait for the vaccine to arrive at the Home and would take it right now personally, as would my Dad.

The world overlaps in so many ways.
The Kitchen Staff,Cleaners, Staff and Managers at the Home all have home lives with families and friends who meet hundreds of people every day, who in turn meet thousands of people, who meet millions of people.

The vaccine will not work on all people, or last indefinitely, but it will dramatically reduce the incidence of infection and transmission.
The more people take this vaccine, the more we will suppress and eventually eliminate this virus, as other vaccines have done with other viruses/diseases.

I can't get my head around the view that virtually every reputable scientist and medical professional is passionately advocating the use of this vaccine, yet a chunk of society believes it to be too big a risk for them to take, much like the idiots denying their child the measles vaccine ffs.

There are millions of people in jobs where they have to put themselves at personal risk with this virus.
In doing so they expose many more millions of people.
Of course it is personal choice whether you take the vaccine or not; whether you care about your family/neighbours/friends/community/society, or not; but the greater good depends on people doing "the right thing".
You all know what that it is.
 
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