You can't drive long road trips in an EV...

Not sure what you mean.

If you can't/won't have a home charger then I would seriously re-think owning an EV if that is to be your sole mode of transport. I am not saying it is impossible to own and run one without it, but as this seems to be a contentious topic I need to be honest and say I just wouldn't.

If you do own a home charger then you will have paid someone a lump sum to buy and install it somewhere down the line. They are not free, unless you got one bundled into a new car purchase (and I still doubt it was actually free).
I suppose external charging providers are charging more to recoup their initial outlay. There will be some element of profiteering, I am sure, but they are businesses after all. Motorways will charge exponentially more, but then they do the same with petrol, sandwiches, McDonald's, etc...

Is it a bit rubbish they do this?
Yes.

Doesn't really put the argument to bed though, when I kind of agree with you.
We cannot have a home charger but i would like an ev, however people in our position would have to pay more for our fuel(electricity) than those who can charge at home. So we have two tier motoring ,one section who have chargers and those who don't or can't.
 
Apologies if you are telling the truth then but
a: Even you must admit that's an unusually long regular journey? most people don't do that.
b. The "My usual journey is <slightly more than the range of a current mid size EV> miles" Argument has been happening with anti EV people for about 6 years now. and I find it laughable that, as range increases, this figure just goes up and up.
I’ll translate

‘although what you say is plausible I’m going to discount it and call you a liar because it doesn’t suit my agenda’
 
But your argument is always centred on the fact that everyone who is pro EV, their lived experience is valid, yet anyone who has a negative experience has "been fed the EV lie" its like trying to have a discussion with a sleep deprived 8 year old who refuses to be objective.

My own personal circumstances have changed recently, so our next car will be fully electric in December, having had a a hybrid, however, for the last three years I had been doing fortnightly shuttles around the country (academy football) and there was no way I wanted to spend Sunday afternoon having been up since 6am finding a charger and waiting over an hour to charge.

This trip to the services would not be one id be doing anyway. That doesn't mean I've been fed the EV lie, or I have range anxiety, it is simply what happened the two times I car shared and did it with my electric car owning friend. It added over an hour each time to the journey.
I see you also been fed the ev lie and you’ve eaten it up. Something like that anyway …..
 
I’ll translate

‘although what you say is plausible I’m going to discount it and call you a liar because it doesn’t suit my agenda’
It's highly unusual to have a 300 mile commute in a car, wouldn't you agree? This isn't about agendas it's about extreme examples. And, I'll explain it again because you ignored it last time, I've bene seeing this arguemnt for the last 6 years: First it was "When EV can regularly do 100 miles, then 150, then 200 etc... the distance keeps going up, to the point where we are now arguing 300 mile commutes are normal" Which is as amusing as it is ridiculous to someone who has seen this "arguement" a million times. I feel sorry for people in small countries like England because very soon the range of EV is going to make them all have to pretend they commute to another country!
 
It's highly unusual to have a 300 mile commute in a car, wouldn't you agree? This isn't about agendas it's about extreme examples. And, I'll explain it again because you ignored it last time, I've bene seeing this arguemnt for the last 6 years: First it was "When EV can regularly do 100 miles, then 150, then 200 etc... the distance keeps going up, to the point where we are now arguing 300 mile commutes are normal" Which is as amusing as it is ridiculous to someone who has seen this "arguement" a million times. I feel sorry for people in small countries like England because very soon the range of EV is going to make them all have to pretend they commute to another country!
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that EVs are ever less convenient. It always has to be an agenda, a fabrication, misunderstanding, bad planning or something else. If you have to change your plans because of the car then it is inconvenient and it happens all the time.

You've just ignored any of the other examples I've already given so you'll probably ignore this one as well but we have family that live pretty much bang on 200 miles away. We've been doing this journey for about 12 years and on a Friday night we would leave at 5pm and arrive between 8:30 and 9pm at their house. For the first 6 years it was just the two of us and we'd do it without stopping so we could have tea with them when we arrived. Once we had kids it changed slightly but when they were young not much, they'd eat before we got in the car, they'd sleep most of the way, then we'd have tea when we get there. We got an EV 3 years ago and now we are forced to stop. I can just about get there without stopping but then have no charge for the weekend or returning so I have to stop and it has to be about 3 hours into the journey, which means the kids eating at 8pm instead of their usual time and it means not arriving until 9:30-10pm. We no longer eat with family, we have to buy food and the kids don't get to bed until later.

There are times when we planned not to stop we did stop. Sometimes it was 5 mins for a toilet break. Other times it was half an our to eat but all of those times were our choice to stop and not the car's.

I'm not anti-EV. I own one and I've got another on order to replace it. The benefits outweigh the negatives for me but that is because the cost of the EV is far lower than the ICE equivalent. If costs were identical I'd take the convenience of the ICE because what you also seem to miss is that when you compare the 5 minutes filling up once a week to the 45 mins filling up during a journey is that people don't notice small things like a 5 minute pitstop. It doesn't feel inconvenient. The same way you wouldn't notice waking up 10 mins earlier every morning but you would if you had to get up 2 hours early on a Saturday. People don't like long journeys and being forced to make them longer is inconvenient and has a much bigger impact mentally than a 5 minute stop does.

Until you can admit that EVs aren't always more convenient than an ICE then it is clear you are not having a discussion in good faith and are just being nothing but a troll seeking attention.
 
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that EVs are ever less convenient. It always has to be an agenda, a fabrication, misunderstanding, bad planning or something else. If you have to change your plans because of the car then it is inconvenient
Not true, I mentioned the broken charger in Italy. And the rest was a simple description of my journey, with no other inconvenience. If you listen to the Anti EV bigrade you would have believed it would be impossible what I did, or would take 3 days more than an ICE, or that we would spend hours staring at a charger or in a queue for one. Simply none of this happened, because it rarely does.

OH and is for the unplanned stops, I do those too. That's the point you don't actually HAVE to stop when the car wants you too. That is what I found, hence ignoring the sat nav a couple of times.
 
But your argument is always centred on the fact that everyone who is pro EV, their lived experience is valid, yet anyone who has a negative experience has "been fed the EV lie" its like trying to have a discussion with a sleep deprived 8 year old who refuses to be objective.

My own personal circumstances have changed recently, so our next car will be fully electric in December, having had a a hybrid, however, for the last three years I had been doing fortnightly shuttles around the country (academy football) and there was no way I wanted to spend Sunday afternoon having been up since 6am finding a charger and waiting over an hour to charge.

This trip to the services would not be one id be doing anyway. That doesn't mean I've been fed the EV lie, or I have range anxiety, it is simply what happened the two times I car shared and did it with my electric car owning friend. It added over an hour each time to the journey.
EV drivers experience (for those with experience and understanding, the more the merrier) is a lot more valid than non EV drivers who have no EV experience, that's kind of the point. Both of us have been driving EV's about 3.5 years or more. I've still never met an EV owner who has gone back to ICE.

For your long trips it doesn't sound like you have destination charger (or one which is decent), but how far is it away, where you travelling to or from? Was it the same journey which was 200-250 miles away? That sounds rough. Maybe I could give you some ideas/ tips. There are a lot of EV drivers who just don't understand optimum charging, for the chargers or their car.

Driving to somewhere just outside of range, or near max range and coming straight back with no destination charger isn't great for EV's, They actually work better if a longer trip like 300 miles, as everyone is doing a stop with this. The max range being the destination is a bit of a weak point.
An hour seems long though, what car was it?

Most of the negative contributions on these threads are from those who have never owned an EV, or have limited experience, or spout proven BS. There's also a big problem with a lot of people not acknowledging the benefits, and believing the scaremongering which is purely created for the creators self interest. Usually those with interest in oil/ right wing aspects etc, or those who realise that scaremongering is great at getting clicks from the vulnerable, which it really is. All sorts of people try to cash in with hot topics and most have self interest to serve.

People seem to forget that pretty much every EV driver (owner) had driven ICE for 20 years or whatever prior too, and have zero intention of going back. They don't think this way to try and get one up on people on a forum. Most of us are trying to provide education and balance to the crap, and there's a lot of it.

I can tell ST annoys the hell out of a lot of people on here on EV threads (maybe all threads), and maybe I do too, but it doesn't mean we're wrong. If all or even some of the negatives were true, or true to the same magnitude then we wouldn't be as pro EV as we are. We both accept that EV's are dogshit for most who don't have home charging (at the minute, but tech will solve this), or those who do loads of round trips with no stops, but they're obviously a tiny minority, so much so it's not worth worrying about unless you do loads of those, where I agree an EV might not make sense (yet).

For me personally it's 30% weighting on basically never having to go fill up or use public chargers, for me I basically spend no time "filling up" and don't miss it. 50% of my reason is the massive cost savings on fuel and maybe 20% on less maintenance and liking the better tech. That's without factoring in for the tax savings, which for a company or company car driver make it a no brainer for most.
 
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that EVs are ever less convenient.
I guess they are less convenient in certain use casees:

1 - You don't have the ability to charge at home
2 - You do long trips in remote areas
3 - You like to drive beyond 4 hours without a 20 minute break
4 - you tow heavy loads

For ~85% of people, the inconvenience is negligible to none. But the public haven't accepted them as the norm yet, and the saturation is still fairly low at 3% of all cars being fully electric. But 16% of new cars, that's about 1 in 6. As we move into the second half of the 20s, I'd expect petrol/diesel cars to get hit more and more with taxes, and electric will be the norm for new cars.
 
I had an EQC for a year and a half and recently traded it in for a petrol. It was a stunning car inside and out, but I prefer the ease of a petrol car.
 
I am not a car person at all so here are my personal EV Pro's and Cons

Pro's
Not having to worry about oil and the other issues that need to be sorted with an engine
Not having stinky petrol hands
Front wheels not getting all black from the engine
Great acceleration
Not having to go out to the petrol station to pop in a tenner
How quiet it is

Cons
Watching the range go down when I put on the A/c or heater (although its only by about 2 miles
People in supermarket car parks not realising I am behind them
My Podpoint shorting out and leaving me with no range. (it did happen once but was resolved by turning it on and off again)
The wife not wanting to drive it as she 'can't get on' with automatics
 
The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that EVs are ever less convenient. It always has to be an agenda, a fabrication, misunderstanding, bad planning or something else. If you have to change your plans because of the car then it is inconvenient and it happens all the time.

You've just ignored any of the other examples I've already given so you'll probably ignore this one as well but we have family that live pretty much bang on 200 miles away. We've been doing this journey for about 12 years and on a Friday night we would leave at 5pm and arrive between 8:30 and 9pm at their house. For the first 6 years it was just the two of us and we'd do it without stopping so we could have tea with them when we arrived. Once we had kids it changed slightly but when they were young not much, they'd eat before we got in the car, they'd sleep most of the way, then we'd have tea when we get there. We got an EV 3 years ago and now we are forced to stop. I can just about get there without stopping but then have no charge for the weekend or returning so I have to stop and it has to be about 3 hours into the journey, which means the kids eating at 8pm instead of their usual time and it means not arriving until 9:30-10pm. We no longer eat with family, we have to buy food and the kids don't get to bed until later.

There are times when we planned not to stop we did stop. Sometimes it was 5 mins for a toilet break. Other times it was half an our to eat but all of those times were our choice to stop and not the car's.

I'm not anti-EV. I own one and I've got another on order to replace it. The benefits outweigh the negatives for me but that is because the cost of the EV is far lower than the ICE equivalent. If costs were identical I'd take the convenience of the ICE because what you also seem to miss is that when you compare the 5 minutes filling up once a week to the 45 mins filling up during a journey is that people don't notice small things like a 5 minute pitstop. It doesn't feel inconvenient. The same way you wouldn't notice waking up 10 mins earlier every morning but you would if you had to get up 2 hours early on a Saturday. People don't like long journeys and being forced to make them longer is inconvenient and has a much bigger impact mentally than a 5 minute stop does.

Until you can admit that EVs aren't always more convenient than an ICE then it is clear you are not having a discussion in good faith and are just being nothing but a troll seeking attention.

There are inconveniences, of course there are, but a lot of the time it's about these one off inconveniences being massively amplified, without the counter balance where it's a lot more convenient with home charging etc, or not paying a load more for fuel etc.

I've done a similar journey to you quite a lot when I got my first EV, with an impatient girlfriend who wanted to see her parents before they went to bed. I had a 200 mile range car and was doing a few trips at/ near the max range, so I get this. For the first couple of times I arrived with practically zero (which was a crap idea) but quickly figured out this wasn't the best way. So half way down we stopped for 10 minutes for a quick ****/ coffee and added 50 mile range to cover some travel the next day. They never had a charger and messing with their 3 pin wasn't worth bothering with, but we were always going for food or to somewhere which had a charger over the weekend and than was 3 years ago. Doing that once a month probably put me out about 2 hours over the whole year, not perfect, but no real problem, not to me anyway. If I was doing that now I'd get a car with a longer range, I'd target the car to the driving I did, ideally you want miles left over at the end of a longer trip like that if you're doing it often. I take it if you're still doing that journey now you've gone for something with around 250 range or more?

I appreciate a few years back there were not many with 200 range plus, but you were an early adopter (same as me) buying a car which wasn't quite suited to your regular trips I think, it's gonna happen, or was back then. It's less the case now as there are loads of cars with much longer ranges than people normally drive for. 200 isn't ideal on long trips as that's around the max people tend to drive without stopping etc

You're right about people not noticing the 5-10 minute fill ups 3-4 times a month, but waiting 40 minutes once will seem worse, even if they're doing something else productive at the same time. The time is the same though, just at different timings and yeah that could be slight more inconvenience, but the convenience does help too.
 
I can see why some posters may not like the tone of this thread but in amongst all the noise it is really useful to help you decide whether or not to take the plunge and get an EV.

I read everything on here before getting an EV in June and because it is the experience of real people found out far more about the pros and cons of EVs than you will find anywhere else.

I got rid of my range anxiety within a couple of months, I think I now need to be careful of complacency when on longer journeys. Mind you I used to sail close to the wind with a petrol car.

The big thing I didn’t realise is just how cheap they are to run compared to petrol or diesel, with the overnight charge I’m currently just over 2p per mile, it’s a massive saving because I do about 20k miles per year.

If you are thinking of getting one read everything on here would be my advice.
 
It's highly unusual to have a 300 mile commute in a car, wouldn't you agree? This isn't about agendas it's about extreme examples. And, I'll explain it again because you ignored it last time, I've bene seeing this arguemnt for the last 6 years: First it was "When EV can regularly do 100 miles, then 150, then 200 etc... the distance keeps going up, to the point where we are now arguing 300 mile commutes are normal" Which is as amusing as it is ridiculous to someone who has seen this "arguement" a million times. I feel sorry for people in small countries like England because very soon the range of EV is going to make them all have to pretend they commute to another country!
It’s not highly unusual, I work in mortgages and I’ve seen many clients who travel to work and come home at weekends.
 
I am not a car person at all so here are my personal EV Pro's and Cons

Pro's
Not having to worry about oil and the other issues that need to be sorted with an engine
Not having stinky petrol hands
Front wheels not getting all black from the engine
Great acceleration
Not having to go out to the petrol station to pop in a tenner
How quiet it is

Cons
Watching the range go down when I put on the A/c or heater (although its only by about 2 miles
People in supermarket car parks not realising I am behind them
My Podpoint shorting out and leaving me with no range. (it did happen once but was resolved by turning it on and off again)
The wife not wanting to drive it as she 'can't get on' with automatics
Cons, braking for the first time and hitting the horn
 
It’s not highly unusual, I work in mortgages and I’ve seen many clients who travel to work and come home at weekends.
It is. I'm sorry but that's arguing for arguing sake. Commuting 300 miles, by car, in a country as small as England is rare. Very rare
 
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