You can't drive long road trips in an EV...

Tryasize10 said:
Many Asda forecourt in UK are unmanned but according to ST, pay at pump is incredibly rare 🤡
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That's if Asda are the only providers of fuel. Oh and read what I said before insulting me. I said surprisingly rare. Given they could make it as easy to pay for petrol as it is to pay for a charger. But you'd rather insult. Which shows your mentality I guess
 
Redpete said:
Agin Smalltown as I explained earlier my comments are in relation too a 2000 mile road trip not your daily use. So wind your neck in.
I paid for my fuel in France contractless,infact many petrol stations on the continent are now unmanned. They are also generally much cheaper.
I comment on these threads because I am interested to hear other peoples experiences, I have to say I feel yours are not always acurate..
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So you haven't read when and why I charged them. Maybe you just don't want to listen to my trip and reasons why charging isn't the inconvenience you think it is. That's fine, you can ignore facts if you want. It doesn't make them disappear
 
WoodallServices said:
I don’t do it daily, once maybe twice a week, I’m not going on manufacturers claimed miles I want one that you can cruise at motorway speeds with aircon etc etc. At home not a problem as the house has a three phase power supply as well so I could probably fit a powerful charging point.
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Apologies if you are telling the truth then but
a: Even you must admit that's an unusually long regular journey? most people don't do that.
b. The "My usual journey is <slightly more than the range of a current mid size EV> miles" Argument has been happening with anti EV people for about 6 years now. and I find it laughable that, as range increases, this figure just goes up and up.
 
SmallTown said:
First bit: yes I agree. But it doesn't really count as you have to stand by your vehicle in an ICE. You can do whatever it was you were doing anyway in your EV. Which has been my point all along and it's the one thing I don't understand why people can't grasp this concept.
The last sentence is incorrect twice. You have to go to a separate building to fuel an ICE. You will fuel your EV wherever you were going anyway (98% of the time your own house)
And no to the second bit too. By law all new EV charger have to accept contactless. The main way of paying for petrol is still to walk into a different building and queue to pay a cashier. Pay at pump is surprisingly rare
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I’m not sure if it is the petrol stations I am using but I would say this is the other way round. Very rarely do we pay in a kiosk and only did it once on our round trip to France and that was at Peterborough Services (Shell) on the way home.
 
SmallTown said:
Apologies if you are telling the truth then but
a: Even you must admit that's an unusually long regular journey? most people don't do that.
b. The "My usual journey is <slightly more than the range of a current mid size EV> miles" Argument has been happening with anti EV people for about 6 years now. and I find it laughable that, as range increases, this figure just goes up and up.
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But your argument is always centred on the fact that everyone who is pro EV, their lived experience is valid, yet anyone who has a negative experience has "been fed the EV lie" its like trying to have a discussion with a sleep deprived 8 year old who refuses to be objective.

My own personal circumstances have changed recently, so our next car will be fully electric in December, having had a a hybrid, however, for the last three years I had been doing fortnightly shuttles around the country (academy football) and there was no way I wanted to spend Sunday afternoon having been up since 6am finding a charger and waiting over an hour to charge.

This trip to the services would not be one id be doing anyway. That doesn't mean I've been fed the EV lie, or I have range anxiety, it is simply what happened the two times I car shared and did it with my electric car owning friend. It added over an hour each time to the journey.
 
Redpete said:
This thread was specifically about doing a 2000 mile trip so your points are not quite relevent in this case if you read Smalltowns journal of his journey it does feel his trip was pretty much dictated by his charging points ,unlike my journey where we could stop as and when we wanted.
Clearly Smalltown could do the same but there would be no certainty of being able to charge his EV at adhoc beauty spots.
It would be interesting to compare costs of fuel for mine and Smalltowns trip.
I would say my fuel costs half way was about £150.
It will be a bit cheaper coming back as the fuel here is about £1.10 a litre so maybe £280 for the 2000 miles.
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To be fair my reply wasn't to you there, it was to a guy who was just talking generalistic crap, and most threads go off specific topic on here, especially to do with EV's.

He said "I'd rather go or get to where I want to go than have to plan around a charger" but all anyone does on a medium to long trip on an unfamiliar routeis is to put a post code, town or whatever into a Sat Nav. Anyone travelling on a 2000 mile long trip is probably going to meticulously plan the route, as they're going to need to do that for hotels, places they want to visit along the way, use specific roads/ coasts or whatever etc. If doing a long trip like that, then the trip is basically the holiday too, if people didn't like that aspect or want to drive 2000 miles they wouldn't do it, they would just fly or whatever.

He said "they're not convenient", which they are if you need or want to stop every 3-4 hours on a long journey, like most do, so unless he's a robot or a one off he's stopping anyway.
They're a lot more convenient when not doing long trips or charging at home too, which needs to be factored in to provide counter balance.
If he says "Yeah EV's are are exceptionally convenient for nearly all trips at home, if you have a home charger and are similar on long routes if you stop every few hours" then yeah, that's fine, but he's not doing that. I 100% accept that EV's are not convenient for most home users who don't have home charging, or those who drive 2000 miles without stopping or make no plans for a long route, but nobody does that.
 
Redpete said:
Here's an example as I said we drove through the pyrenees and stopped at the most beautiful waterfall had a quick cup of tea toilet stop and then moved on ready for another 250 miles of driving.If I had been in an EV I could still do the same thing but I would then also have to stop somewhere else to charge up.
Do you now see the inconvenience?
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I get what you're saying 100%, but this wasn't reality for me when I had an ICE for 20 years, and it's one of the main reason I and most don't go doing 1000 mile trips in any vehicle type. Those who do probably do that over 2-3 days. But yeah, for you, it may be an inconvenience as your trip and how you treat that don't seem that common to me. Even the highway code recommends a 15 min break every two hours, which most would double up if driving for 4 hours etc, this is sensible.

My old man and his mates do long trips like this all the time or did, and they were only doing about 500 miles a day and stopping numerous times along the way, as that's kind of the point on a long drive/ holiday.

How long had you been driving until you got there, and how long were you there? 250 miles then half an hour, before the next 250? I can't imagine you only stopped for say 10 minutes, as part of a 500 mile drive, that seems odd to me, my back would be killing me and that would probably take like 9 hours, so there's got to be more stops and meals in there etc.

Unless you're living on what you packed in the car and your mouth is made of asbestos and you can pee at the same time as making the brew and drinking it, this is all sequential etc, and probably takes more time than you realise. Sure, you might have took turns making the brew whilst the other one does their business but this also ends up sequential and you've no time together at the site unless you add that on also. You're still doing the fuel stop at the start (which the EV avoids) and the one after (which the EV also does). So an EV is "costing you" maybe 20 minutes more, 30 mins max, is it really a concern for a once a year trip at most?
 
SmallTown said:
So you haven't read when and why I charged them. Maybe you just don't want to listen to my trip and reasons why charging isn't the inconvenience you think it is. That's fine, you can ignore facts if you want. It doesn't make them disappear
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The key take outs:
If you can get an overnight halt with a charger it's a game changer: Waking up on 100 makes a big big difference.
Some countries do it better than others: The charging infrastructure in France is insane. No planning needed. Just drive and stop when you want to stop. Italy: not so much. There are fewer services to begin with and some of the chargers are in out of the way places. We had our only nasty moment there too. The cars nav took us to somer chargers in Milan that were entriely offline. I'm amazed google doesn't know this. That needs to improve. Luckily the "find a charger nearby" feature saved the day.


Sorry did I misunderstand you when you say that services are limited and in out of the way places and you had to search for a charger when your chosen one was offline .
My mistake .
 
Redpete said:
The key take outs:
If you can get an overnight halt with a charger it's a game changer: Waking up on 100 makes a big big difference.
Some countries do it better than others: The charging infrastructure in France is insane. No planning needed. Just drive and stop when you want to stop. Italy: not so much. There are fewer services to begin with and some of the chargers are in out of the way places. We had our only nasty moment there too. The cars nav took us to somer chargers in Milan that were entriely offline. I'm amazed google doesn't know this. That needs to improve. Luckily the "find a charger nearby" feature saved the day.


Sorry did I misunderstand you when you say that services are limited and in out of the way places and you had to search for a charger when your chosen one was offline .
My mistake .
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Ah I didn't realise you lived in Italy. My bad
 
Andy I think we generally agree .
If I was using an EV to do the same trip I did then obviously the charging would be incorporated into the journey no one would just stop to charge up.
The amount of stops would also be similar, agreed.

Ultimately the only difference would be the places I chose to stop.
As I said the only time we stopped that had charging points was once near Cherbourg.
The trip would have to be more planned around charging the vehicle.

I would have to stop at different places to allow for charging.

I have never actually called this an inconvenience,its Smalltown who has interpreted it this way so maybe subconsciously he thinks it is although he will never admit it.
 
We have just returned from a holiday to France in my Kia EV6.

I have never done more than 150 miles in one go before, and never used a public charger before.

I will try to put some numbers together later today of how many times I charged, the cost and the rough mileage. And the problems that we encountered.

Just a couple of quick observations though.

Before our trip started, the range was 340 miles. Probably because I do small trips. By the end of the holiday it was down to 260, which I assume is due to the motorway driving. So what is the best cruising speed?

The Tesla charger were good but useless if I could not get a signal on my phone to activate it.
 
hobblewobble said:
Not possible if you don't/can't so why should we pay more than those who do?
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Not sure what you mean.

If you can't/won't have a home charger then I would seriously re-think owning an EV if that is to be your sole mode of transport. I am not saying it is impossible to own and run one without it, but as this seems to be a contentious topic I need to be honest and say I just wouldn't.

If you do own a home charger then you will have paid someone a lump sum to buy and install it somewhere down the line. They are not free, unless you got one bundled into a new car purchase (and I still doubt it was actually free).
I suppose external charging providers are charging more to recoup their initial outlay. There will be some element of profiteering, I am sure, but they are businesses after all. Motorways will charge exponentially more, but then they do the same with petrol, sandwiches, McDonald's, etc...

Is it a bit rubbish they do this?
Yes.

Doesn't really put the argument to bed though, when I kind of agree with you.
 
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