Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...

I always said that labour should whole heartedly back remain as a single policy manifesto.
They sat on the fence for too long because Corbyn actually was a brexiter, but he lied. This is now even more obvious.
May was the weakest PM in living memory and was replaced by the daftest PM ever. A daft, millionaire, posh d1ckhead.

Stamer and Corbyn have/did not laid a glove on them. Starmer will forever regret not challenging Corbyn before the last election. As a remain party with the other remain parties in support (which was offered) I think he would have pi55ed it.
Now we have this idiot and turkeys voting for christmas.
It is almost laughable that ANYBODY in Hartlepool could ever think that alex de pffffffeffellll - Eton posh n0bhead, born into a ruling class that thinks it has the right to government - could even imagine what their lives are like and can help them.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Read what I just told you.

They've not just lost voters to the right, they have lost voters TO THE LEFT.

In one poll in Hartlepool, free broadband was approved by 69% of all respondents.

Better public services 67%
Nationalised Royal Mail 57%

Here is a outrageous idea, why not campaign on things that are popular and would make people's lives better?
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And read what I just told you, speak to those knocking on doors, those people labour win back are not interested in polices, they couldn't tell you what either candidate or party nationality are offering, and they don't expect either party to deliver anyway.
They are interested in where each candidate stood on brexit , and think the vaccine was invented and delivered by the tories .
That will do for them .
Until they see the consequences of putting the current shower in they will have their backing and anything offered by starmer will be seen as pie in the sky
 
MoggasDog said:
I always said that labour should whole heartedly back remain as a single policy manifesto.
They sat on the fence for too long because Corbyn actually was a brexiter, but he lied. This is now even more obvious.
May was the weakest PM in living memory and was replaced by the daftest PM ever. A daft, millionaire, posh d1ckhead.

Stamer and Corbyn have/did not laid a glove on them. Starmer will forever regret not challenging Corbyn before the last election. As a remain party with the other remain parties in support (which was offered) I think he would have pi55ed it.
Now we have this idiot and turkeys voting for christmas.
It is almost laughable that ANYBODY in Hartlepool could ever think that alex de pffffffeffellll - Eton posh n0bhead, born into a ruling class that thinks it has the right to government - could even imagine what their lives are like and can help them.
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A perceived remain labour party got wiped out in 2019, the reason was remain tories stayed loyal, leave labour voters left in their thousands, lib democracy stood on a remain ticket and got wiped out.
Labour should have steered clear of brexit after the vote and campaigned on more important issues.
They played into johnsons hands
 
jam69 said:
And read what I just told you, speak to those knocking on doors, those people labour win back are not interested in polices, they couldn't tell you what either candidate or party nationality are offering, and they don't expect either party to deliver anyway.
They are interested in where each candidate stood on brexit , and think the vaccine was invented and delivered by the tories .
That will do for them .
Until they see the consequences of putting the current shower in they will have their backing and anything offered by starmer will be seen as pie in the sky
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What is Starmer offering, just out of interest?
 
jam69 said:
A perceived remain labour party got wiped out in 2019, the reason was remain tories stayed loyal, leave labour voters left in their thousands, lib democracy stood on a remain ticket and got wiped out.
Labour should have steered clear of brexit after the vote and campaigned on more important issues.
They played into johnsons hands
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I totally disagree. the membership was always 75% remain, or thereabouts. they tried to pander to the fools, the OAPs, the tattooed ex-pats living in Spain. They should have gunned for remain. SNPs, LibDems would have supported a coalition and they would have got in. Labour leave voters should have been left behind. How any trade unionists or socialists can argue against the EU totally escapes me.
 
jam69 said:
And read what I just told you, speak to those knocking on doors, those people labour win back are not interested in polices, they couldn't tell you what either candidate or party nationality are offering, and they don't expect either party to deliver anyway.
They are interested in where each candidate stood on brexit , and think the vaccine was invented and delivered by the tories .
That will do for them .
Until they see the consequences of putting the current shower in they will have their backing and anything offered by starmer will be seen as pie in the sky
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I knock on doors, I'm a Labour member.

So 79% of respondents were liars?

Good luck with your "52% didn't vote to leave, what about the 30% who don't vote" and thinking voters are too thick to see passed Brexit strategy. I'm sure that will be a successful formula for winning back voters.

Your expert analysis constantly leaves out if nobody cares about policy, why 10-15% of poll sample have gone to NIP, Greens and an Independent candidate?
 
uncle_rico said:
What is Starmer offering, just out of interest?
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Not a lot granted, but whilst there's a vaccine bounce and any opposition to the tories is deemed unpatriotic a raft of progressive polices wouldn't sway anyone.
It's a big few weeks for him, labour will lose badly this week and I doubt he could do much about that.
Times will get hard over the next 18 months as jobs go, brexit kicks in and covid is here for the foreseeable, that's the time to offer a genuine alternative.
It's a no win situation at the moment
 
MoggasDog said:
I totally disagree. the membership was always 75% remain, or thereabouts. they tried to pander to the fools, the OAPs, the tattooed ex-pats living in Spain. They should have gunned for remain. SNPs, LibDems would have supported a coalition and they would have got in. Labour leave voters should have been left behind. How any trade unionists or socialists can argue against the EU totally escapes me.
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So why did the lib dems do so badly on the remain ticket.
Yes labour voters are overwhelming remain but its that 20% of floating voters that decide elections in our flawed FPTP elections.
 
jam69 said:
Not a lot granted, but whilst there's a vaccine bounce and any opposition to the tories is deemed unpatriotic a raft of progressive polices wouldn't sway anyone.
It's a big few weeks for him, labour will lose badly this week and I doubt he could do much about that.
Times will get hard over the next 18 months as jobs go, brexit kicks in and covid is here for the foreseeable, that's the time to offer a genuine alternative.
It's a no win situation at the moment
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You've finally got it. Not a lot.

Saying people don't want policies that improve their lives is just utter rubbish. They're cheering on a Tory mayor who nationalised the local airport, it doesn't get much more populist than that.

The voters are telling you in polls they want policies, continue to ignore them and Labour will continue to lose.
 
I used to believe the BREXIT vote was about leaving the EU, I am starting to change my mind.

I tend now to believe it was more a vote about leaving the Establishment i.e. a vote for major Change - which would make more sense when you look at the voting patterns certainly in England and Wales.

In Hartlepool the Establishment has been the Labour Party. The town even had a major Labour minister represent them, what great investments did he leave behind? Promising new jobs and investments now is very good, but why didn't it happen say in the Blair/Mendelson years? I remember a Samsung factory opening around 1996, but closing it in 2004 and moving the jobs almost overnight to Slovakia. At one stage 3,000 people worked at that factory, many in the Hartlepool area.

If you have policy for economic regeneration that is good but voters have to believe it. People trust Labour on the NHS, but DO they did to show more commitment to economic change. Other areas of Western Europe have coped better with deindustralisation such as the Ruhr.
 
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InglebyUTB said:
Your expert analysis constantly leaves out if nobody cares about policy, why 10-15% of poll sample have gone to NIP, Greens and an Independent candidate?
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I really don't think that jam believes 'no one cares about policy', it's more that vast swathes of the working classes don't care about policy, they treat this like x-factor, soundbites, image, and backstory is what about 25% of the electorate are bothered about. Another circa 25% vote on family allegiance/history, and perception of what parties stand for i.e. Tory = affluence and a good economy....truth is very different to perception of course.
 
jam69 said:
So why did the lib dems do so badly on the remain ticket.
Yes labour voters are overwhelming remain but its that 20% of floating voters that decide elections in our flawed FPTP elections.
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LibDems were shot as a party after colluding with Cameron. The remain vote was split - the brexit vote wasnt. The brexit party werent daft enough to contest against safe tory seats.
When you look at the numbers who voted for lab, lib, snp, plaid cymru - all of whom were in favour of a coalition - they would have p1ssed a majority between them. dont forget that may only got a majority by coaxing the unionists.
it always was a single issue election but labour started going on about fu.cking broadband

brexiters, trump voters, republican gun nuts, anti-vaxxers(who really are as daft as flat earthers) - all ignorant peas in the same ignorant pod - facebook is the truth to them. They claim to be anti-establishment yet vote for the establishment's rhetoric and are too daft to see that. Meanwhile, the rich get richer, the likes of hartlepool will keep declining and the environment is being increasingly destroyed.
 
Redwurzel said:
I used to believe the BREXIT vote was about leaving the EU, I am starting to change my mind.

I tend now to believe it was more a vote about leaving the Establishment i.e. a vote for major Change - which would make more sense when you look at the voting patterns certainly in England and Wales.
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of course some people believed that, however the people at the very head of the brexit campaign were those establishment old etonian, offshore bank account, billionaires. So it was a stupid way to deliver that change.

The establishment did need shaking up, the best way to have done that was right in front of people, to put a proper left wing, anti-tory, anti-wealth transfer, socialist government in place...the Corbyn option. The public bottled it though
 
Scrote said:
I assume you're implying that the Tories would have won had the Brexit Party not stood?

But the numbers show that the Brexit Party vote took about twice as many votes from Labour as it did from the Tories (as was the plan).
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But those votes would not have gone to Labour if Brexit had not stood
 
InglebyUTB said:
You've finally got it. Not a lot.

Saying people don't want policies that improve their lives is just utter rubbish. They're cheering on a Tory mayor who nationalised the local airport, it doesn't get much more populist than that.

The voters are telling you in polls they want policies, continue to ignore them and Labour will continue to lose.
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Whilst I love to think that you're right about policies we saw some excellent policies rejected at the last election.
 
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