Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...

jam69 said:
Labour only hung on because of the brexit party standing .
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TeaCider said:
They obviously only held it last time because of vote splitting, but it doesn't make it any less of a failure to lose it this time.
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Just to labour a point (no pun intended), the vote split was a tactic explicitly designed to take votes away from Labour that would never go to the Tories.

The Labour vote declined in line with the increase in BXP votes (from UKIP in previous).

Labour didn't 'get lucky' with a right-wing vote split.
 
Otto42 said:
Starmer might not in the end prove to better for labour than Corbyn, but at least let him have a general election before we get the knives out!
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He's already had a year more than Corbyn had before the knives came out. No excuses.
 
InglebyUTB said:
I'm sure calling them cultists is going to win them back.

The local CLP warned Starmer and the central party about having someone forced on them who wasn't local, didn't speak like them and didn't support Hartlepool's decision to leave.

They were ignored.
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I doubt they know or care what I call them.
 
Scrote said:
Just to labour a point (no pun intended), the vote split was a tactic explicitly designed to take votes away from Labour that would never go to the Tories.

The Labour vote declined in line with the increase in BXP votes (from UKIP in previous).

Labour didn't 'get lucky' with a right-wing vote split.
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They did, without the brexit party a big chunk of those votes would have went to the brexit party.
Take a look at those sears where the brexit party didn't stand, they turned blue
 
Scrote said:
Just to labour a point (no pun intended), the vote split was a tactic explicitly designed to take votes away from Labout that would never go to the Tories.

The Labour vote declined in line with the increase in BXP votes (from UKIP in previous).

Labour didn't 'get lucky' with a right-wing vote split.
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Disagree.
Vast swathes of voters across Teesside went to the Tories at the last election.
Take away the Brexit Party and I'd bet money that Hartlepool would have went Conservative, as would Stockton North.

The Conservatives actually got fewer votes in 2019 than 2017 because of the presence of the Brexit Party, so there were clearly thousands of voters who were happy to vote Conservative before that didn't, and that's before the "Brexit betrayal" that fuelled so many voters in 2019.
 
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Soutra said:
There's no way Boris would get such an easy ride here in Scotland. What is striking though is that Labour look all at sea over everything. I see nothing to make me think Labour is a realistic option.
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The latest polls from Scotland predict the Tories gaining about 12 seats on the Assembly so somebody must be giving them an easy ride
 
If, as suggested here, some voters are still voting in support of Brexit, then I doubt anything that Labour did short of fielding Farage as their candidate would make a blind bit of difference. We shall have to wait to see how Brexit effects people as we recover from COVID. At the moment the pandemic is masking the effects of us leaving the EU and the PM and the ruling party are riding the wave of approval that results from the successful vaccine program.

It'll be an interesting result that's for sure but even in the event of a Labour defeat not necessarily anything to panic about. That's not to say lessons should not be learnt simply that it should not signify any need major change.
 
Soutra said:
There's no way Boris would get such an easy ride here in Scotland. What is striking though is that Labour look all at sea over everything. I see nothing to make me think Labour is a realistic option.
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Well that's supposition and is basically the old argument "yes but labour would be worse". It's a tired old trope. Facts are the tories are in power, have been for a decade, failed to hold the banking sector accountable for crashing teh economy and costing people jobs, presided over a decade of running down public services, destroying local councils, shredding police and nhs budgets and staff, split the British psyche with a divisive referendum that will keep the public fractured for many decades, presided over the worst death toll in europe and one of the worst in the world during the pandemic, seen a huge increase in racism and hate crimes, helped the 1% gain even further advantages over the rest, allowed russian operatives to use chemical weapons in our country then talked about being friends with them, spaffed billions of our money on corrupt PPE contracts to friends and family.....I mean we have actual evidence that this government is not a realistic option.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Marty you've now made over 5,000 posts on this messageboard, half of which have been on this thread. I'd like you to spend some time away from the board and go on a very long bike ride tomorrow....perhaps Lands End to John O' Groats 🚵
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play the ball not the man fella
 
For all the fuss, it's basically becoming quite obvious that most of you living up there are just a pack of fcuking idiots.

Whatever side of the Labour party you are supporting, the fact that people in the north east are prepared to vote for Alexander Johnson and his corrupt colleagues just prove that you are either fcuking idiots who do not think about what you are doing or, a bunch of xenophobes who want to reward Alexander for getting rid of Johnny foreigner.

Whichever it is one day you'll get your reward.
 
norfolkngood said:
For all the fuss, it's basically becoming quite obvious that most of you living up there are just a pack of fcuking idiots.

Whatever side of the Labour party you are supporting, the fact that people in the north east are prepared to vote for Alexander Johnson and his corrupt colleagues just prove that you are either fcuking idiots who do not think about what you are doing or, a bunch of xenophobes who want to reward Alexander for getting rid of Johnny foreigner.

Whichever it is one day you'll get your reward.
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Deary me, Chill out dude 👍😆🤯
 
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