Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?

Gunslinger said:
Exactly

The level of SMUG by EV owners is actually laughable

There is a huge cloud of SMUG being generated by EV owners , it's larger than the George Clooney oscars award SMUG cloud that he generated when he and hollywood took personal credit for making
the world aware of aids and famine etc
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I knew it was degenerate into this. It's always the same. I guess some people just resist progress
 
Oh I've just realised greasy is one of those "new users" brexit voting, ant iEV, seems to know an awful lot about me. Or maybe not as they are making a lot of wrong assumptions?
Anyways I reckon we have another rejoin! Welcome Back
 
SmallTown said:
Oh I've just realised greasy is one of those "new users" brexit voting, ant iEV, seems to know an awful lot about me. Or maybe not as they are making a lot of wrong assumptions?
Anyways I reckon we have another rejoin! Welcome Back
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Hey easy tiger ! I am just a Boro supporter on a Boro messageboard. Why are you so upset? I know nothing about you, but reading this board the last few weeks its obvious you are VERY sensitive.
And whats all this 'we' business ?

I figure EVs will be blocking roads as people struggle to judge charge available. Its even happening with stupid people these days who just stop in lane.
 
Greaseman said:
Hey easy tiger ! I am just a Boro supporter on a Boro messageboard. Why are you so upset? I know nothing about you, but reading this board the last few weeks its obvious you are VERY sensitive.

I figure EVs will be blocking roads as people struggle to judge charge available. Its even happening with stupid people these days who just stop in lane.
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That first paragraph: you've said that before in one of your previous guises!

The second one is flat stupid and I assume you know it.
For 2 reasons:
It's ignores the fact that ICE cars have fuel too. That's a command thing with the anti aeV mob, saying things that happen to ICE too.
2. The GoM is more accurate in an EV especially at low SoC.
 
SmallTown said:
That first paragraph: you've said that before in one of your previous guises!

The second one is flat stupid and I assume you know it.
For 2 reasons:
It's ignores the fact that ICE cars have fuel too. That's a command thing with the anti aeV mob, saying things that happen to ICE too.
2. The GoM is more accurate in an EV especially at low SoC.
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Look mate, I dont know why you are coming across as aggressive.

My point is 'range anxiety' and misjudgement. You could see Telsas on the news recently queuing for ages to charge, some instinct would be to push on and perhaps come a cropper. Think I'll buy a tow truck.££££.
 
Greaseman said:
Look mate, I dont know why you are coming across as aggressive.

My point is 'range anxiety' and misjudgement. You could see Telsas on the news recently queuing for ages to charge, some instinct would be to push on and perhaps come a cropper. Think I'll buy a tow truck.££££.
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Your point seems to be about three points! You've basically taking a load of anti EV nonsense and pasted it in a random order. I'll explain it to you again ICE cars run out of fuel too. You melt

Anyway. Time to block the troll. Speak to you when you get banned again and get your next new username.
 
SmallTown said:
Your point seems to be about three points! You've basically taking a load of anti EV nonsense and pasted it in a random order. I'll explain it to you again ICE cars run out of fuel too. You melt

Anyway. Time to block the troll. Speak to you when you get banned again and get your next new username.
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Mate, would you back off please ?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
You'll still be able to buy cheap second hand cars and there'll be a glut of mechanics trained to fix them. Fuel will gradually become harder to get but that will take a long time.
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This. It'll become harder to get petrol. I'm a car guy so I'm not against ICE as a hobby. In the same way people still ride horses. But EV will be cars.

Sorry that seems to upset people but that's the way it's going.
 
I know next to nothing about EVs so always trying to learn. A couple of things;

1) How do people manage to charge without a driveway? I get that there are charging points but isn't an overnight charge at home most convenient?
2) What is the price of charging at home or at public charging points?
3) is there a ramping up of skilled mechanics who can work on EVs across the country? It is becoming harder for old school independent mechanics to keep pace with the technological change in ICE vehicles. I wonder how many will have skills and access to diagnostics for EVs.

I would love to make the move at some point but I don't know where to begin educating myself. Anyone got any good resources where i can learn more?
 
sparkins said:
I know next to nothing about EVs so always trying to learn. A couple of things;

1) How do people manage to charge without a driveway? I get that there are charging points but isn't an overnight charge at home most convenient?
2) What is the price of charging at home or at public charging points?
3) is there a ramping up of skilled mechanics who can work on EVs across the country? It is becoming harder for old school independent mechanics to keep pace with the technological change in ICE vehicles. I wonder how many will have skills and access to diagnostics for EVs.

I would love to make the move at some point but I don't know where to begin educating myself. Anyone got any good resources where i can learn more?
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Like any tech, it is best to be a late adopter. Let the rich beta testers p!ss their money away on over-priced EVs and wait for costs to fall and chargers and mechanics to be wide spread.

I'm not making the same mistake as I did with Betamax, that's for sure.
 
sparkins said:
I know next to nothing about EVs so always trying to learn. A couple of things;

1) How do people manage to charge without a driveway? I get that there are charging points but isn't an overnight charge at home most convenient?
2) What is the price of charging at home or at public charging points?
3) is there a ramping up of skilled mechanics who can work on EVs across the country? It is becoming harder for old school independent mechanics to keep pace with the technological change in ICE vehicles. I wonder how many will have skills and access to diagnostics for EVs.

I would love to make the move at some point but I don't know where to begin educating myself. Anyone got any good resources where i can learn more?
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1. Yes an overnight charge is more convenient but I don't have a charger at home. I need to charge once every couple of weeks usually. I either stick it on at work or a local charger whilst I'm out shopping.
2. Extremely variable based on speed of charger and time charging. Significantly cheaper than diesel thiugh. Most car companies give you some sort of subscription to a charging network for even cheaper rates but it's usually ionity who don't have many chargers in the UK yet.
3.. I can't answer this one. I have a Tesla so Tesla service for everything but they are good

I learnt a lot about EV from YouTube. Bjorn Nyland taught me all about cold gating and rapid gating and out of spec motoring are great for showing you how to do long range trips (they have twice set the cannonball run record for EV)

Best thing is just talk to people about their experiences. If you want to get into how to plan trips and charge correctly I've done a lot of research but I'm not the best for measuring charger availability.

Unexpected bonus in this cold weather is must mod and high range ones come with cabin pre heating. It's a dream to see your car slowly deforest over your morning coffee before you hit the gym!
 
sparkins said:
is there a ramping up of skilled mechanics who can work on EVs across the country? It is becoming harder for old school independent mechanics to keep pace with the technological change in ICE vehicles. I wonder how many will have skills and access to diagnostics for EVs.
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Just to pick up on that point

One of the reasons for the halfway house of hybrid cars was just that. Battery tech, motors and all the electric tech is pretty much all there in hybrid cars which have been going for (without checking) fifteen years, possibly longer. Diagnostics are simply a "laptop" with a the requisite software from the car manufacturer, plug it in and it tells you pretty accurately where the fault is, much the same with modern ICE vehicles. The rest of the tech, air conditioning, brakes, etc. is the same as ICE. The stuff that spanners can fix on an ICE your mechanic can fix on an EV. In some ways the EV is simpler, no suck squish, bang, blow nonsense, electric motors are very reliable and sealed for life, no gearboxes or clutches, no engine management units, bad fuel. The batteries are still problematic. But, as others have said tech is improving all the time.
 
Gunslinger said:
Most people could get by living in an 80 square meter house - what are you suggesting, banning sales on new houses over 80 square meters in 2030 and then startign a demolishing program for all the other houses in the UK and installing solar panels and heat pumps in rows of rows of concrete jungle type apartments with energy grade A efficieny?

People are getting so ridiculous with this EV **** it's embarrasing

I live in Germany and i use my bicycle to work everyday - i live in a remote part of germany where the nearest charging station is 1 hour round trip, i use my car once a week to go shopping which is a 10kmhround trip, why should i sell my car and trade it in for a car that i would need to work 5 years to pay off

Instead of constantly ramming it down peoples throats how they are all killing the planet, at least consider we all have different carbon footprints and the non ownership of an EV's does not by definition mean we are contributing to global warming more than somebody who lives in a 5 bedroom house with gas central heating with 3 EV's driving 2000 miles a week
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Calm down dear!! Your main argument against EV was one trip you made on one full tank of fuel. I found it strange as the journey could have easily been done in an EV as you would be stopping on a 600 mile trip.

I'm not ramming it down you throat - I couldn't care less what you drive! But in all fairness if you are only going 10km a week that lovely £3000 Nissan Leaf mentioned previously would suit you down to the ground ;)
 
I think a lot of the missplaced anger on here is from people who just don't understand EV. Some people will resist progress and get upset about it. A lot of it stems from not understanding the tech.

Apart from a few angry trolls though, this thread is pretty good. People seem willing to debate and ask questions.
 
Muttley said:
Just to pick up on that point

One of the reasons for the halfway house of hybrid cars was just that. Battery tech, motors and all the electric tech is pretty much all there in hybrid cars which have been going for (without checking) fifteen years, possibly longer. Diagnostics are simply a "laptop" with a the requisite software from the car manufacturer, plug it in and it tells you pretty accurately where the fault is, much the same with modern ICE vehicles. The rest of the tech, air conditioning, brakes, etc. is the same as ICE. The stuff that spanners can fix on an ICE your mechanic can fix on an EV. In some ways the EV is simpler, no suck squish, bang, blow nonsense, electric motors are very reliable and sealed for life, no gearboxes or clutches, no engine management units, bad fuel. The batteries are still problematic. But, as others have said tech is improving all the time.
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I'm assuming you must be able to get into the electrical motor somehow? For when something does go wrong to change a part over instead of the full unit?
 
Randy said:
I'm assuming you must be able to get into the electrical motor somehow? For when something does go wrong to change a part over instead of the full unit?
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Yes. There are video in it. Not that there is much in there. One of the huge advantages of EV is the simplicity of the drivetrain. IN previous cars I've suffered from cracked pistons, a damaged exhaust, faulty starter motors. None of this would be a problem
 
SmallTown said:
Yes. There are video in it. Not that there is much in there. One of the huge advantages of EV is the simplicity of the drivetrain. IN previous cars I've suffered from cracked pistons, a damaged exhaust, faulty starter motors. None of this would be a problem
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Drivetrain simplicity is a bonus, but let's not forget that other things on electric cars can and will still develop faults.
 
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