SmallTown
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There won't be much it won't cope with. I'm assuming you live in Western europe mind. I could drive to Helsinki in mine
Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?
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Norman_Conquest
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The only change people will notice is you will not be able to buy new ICE vehicles.
Randy
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I would rather walk than drive a Renault.
Infrastructure is the biggest issue but even then that s demand led. There aren't many EVs on the road in the grand scheme of things so there isn't much demand for private companies to be installing charging points. As the demand increases so will the supply of chargers to the point where you won't go to an EV charging point at the motorway services but most of the spots in the car park will be chargers. Speed of charging will increase so a 2 hr wait for 2 cars in front of you to fill up will be 10 mins each intead of 60. That means more throughput for the same space.
A good example of how this changes things is that when I got my newest phone I was disappointed to find that the battery life was worse than my old phone which would usually run out by the end of the day and I didn't always have an opportunity for an hour to charge it for what I needed. However, the new phone has super fast charging so a 15 minute charge at some point means I can get a day and a half of use.
A good example of how this changes things is that when I got my newest phone I was disappointed to find that the battery life was worse than my old phone which would usually run out by the end of the day and I didn't always have an opportunity for an hour to charge it for what I needed. However, the new phone has super fast charging so a 15 minute charge at some point means I can get a day and a half of use.
SmallTown
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Now that's a healthier choice. Although I'd have "range anxiety" with my bladder if I tried to walk too far!
BoroMart
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That's fine, it's not a common use case for the majority of drivers.
SmallTown
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That's a common thing when people say they don't want an EV. Their "regular" journeys always seem specifically designed to be deliberately against EV.
Oh and for the record, I drove to Eastern Garment in mine last year, on a 2500KM road trip. so I imagine this Poland trip could easily be done in an EV
Randy
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Cycle to work every day rain, snow, ice or sun. Heck I'd walk across the Sahara instead of driving a Renault across it. The most boring cars I've ever driven.
Redwurzel
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For me a key difference will be smaller electric cars that give a quoted range of 320 miles, so a 250 mile drive can be safely done.
I also want to see mass public charging points, not just 2 or 3 in a supermarket car park etc.
I am sure it will happen but is several years off.
At present I get the impression that around 90% of charging is done at home, but that will have the change.
btw - new hybrids are banned in the UK in 2035.
I also want to see mass public charging points, not just 2 or 3 in a supermarket car park etc.
I am sure it will happen but is several years off.
At present I get the impression that around 90% of charging is done at home, but that will have the change.
btw - new hybrids are banned in the UK in 2035.
Redwurzel
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Most countries the ban is 2035 not 2030.
I don't think the Governement can afford to give new incentives, by 2030 they would have lost and be losing billions in fuel duty and VAT from lower petrol and diesel sales.
Steer
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As well as the infrastructure improvements, there are other technical bits and pieces that still need improving.
If an EV breaks down, it becomes stuck essentially "in gear" and is impossible to move. You can't roll it to the side of the road. Not sure if this applies to all, but certainly to some. This will become a bigger problem when these shiny new EVs are still being ragged around in many years time. There must be a feature to allow the vehicle to freewheel if the battery dies.
Fires - An EV will burn for about 24 hours if the battery is pierced in a certain way. There is no easy way of extinguishing the fire. Fire fighting services need to be trained and suitable equipment made available. An EV fire on a cross channel ferry or in the Channel Tunnel would cause huge problems - much bigger than a fire on a ICE vehicle where the petrol or diesel will burn out in a quicker time.
As well as the number of charge points, I often hear EV owners complaining about poor charge rates. Again, this needs improving.
As mentioned above the national grid will need to be improved to keep up with the huge increase in demand.
A lot of this is due to the rapid rise of the EV, and the fact that this is still a relatively new product, so the infrastructure will need to rapidly improve.
If an EV breaks down, it becomes stuck essentially "in gear" and is impossible to move. You can't roll it to the side of the road. Not sure if this applies to all, but certainly to some. This will become a bigger problem when these shiny new EVs are still being ragged around in many years time. There must be a feature to allow the vehicle to freewheel if the battery dies.
Fires - An EV will burn for about 24 hours if the battery is pierced in a certain way. There is no easy way of extinguishing the fire. Fire fighting services need to be trained and suitable equipment made available. An EV fire on a cross channel ferry or in the Channel Tunnel would cause huge problems - much bigger than a fire on a ICE vehicle where the petrol or diesel will burn out in a quicker time.
As well as the number of charge points, I often hear EV owners complaining about poor charge rates. Again, this needs improving.
As mentioned above the national grid will need to be improved to keep up with the huge increase in demand.
A lot of this is due to the rapid rise of the EV, and the fact that this is still a relatively new product, so the infrastructure will need to rapidly improve.
SmallTown
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The public charging points is valid. We need more. As EV have caught hold it's going to start making business sense. Hotels will have to put destination charging in to attract custom. Hopefully shopping centres too.
SmallTown
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The in gear thing is incorrect. I know EV that can be towed. It is correct for the leaf I guess
Often the charging speed thing can be people not understanding how EV charge.
And I don't know how many times I have to show you the national grid saying we can cope with EV
Often the charging speed thing can be people not understanding how EV charge.
And I don't know how many times I have to show you the national grid saying we can cope with EV
Alexander Supertramp
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What’s the depreciation like on EVs compared to petrol?
SmallTown
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Hard to tell because the market is crazy at the moment but they depreciate far less. Currently the depreciate at a rate of 30-35% LESS then petrol and it can go up to 60 %less.
A lot of this is to do with the fact there are far fewer EV though. So it'll change
Wow. 3k for a car with 100000 miles is very reasonable.
You’ve proven my point. EV is out of the budget for most of the people on the planet
xxlshirts_fit_all
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6months…
he drove to scotland on a full charge then spent ages trying to find a charger empty and working.. instead of waiting he drove south and almost ran out of charge…
I’ve got a Tesla so didn’t really have same issue on similar journey…
I just don’t think he was ready for the change… I’ve embraced it..
SmallTown
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I would disagree with this. I had one on a week long test years ago. It was bigger then I thought
Gunslinger
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Yeh, that's fine, you drive whatever vehicle you want
I have my own preference
Theres seems to be a resentment to people who have a mind of their own when it comes to choosing your own form of transport