Will the ban on the sale of petrol/diesel cars happen in 7 years?

Last week i drove a BMW diesel SUV from Durham to poland on 1 tank of fuel

Over 1000km in a 2 tonne SUV on 1 tank

When Battery cars get within 75% of that capability i will consider one

They have a purpose for some people, say who live reasonably local to work and can charge at home

There are lots of people who they are also pretty useless to given the nature of their individual jobs

Thats what people have to understand, different people need different solutions with transport
 
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SmallTown said:
The two hour wait thing is Definitely a fault. No question. The 35 lWh thing though: what was his state of charge? All batteries taper off towards the top end of their state of charge
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It was a top up from about 50% and he was aiming for 80%

He got to 70% and had enough to get to Banbury fast chargers so decked it off.

He had no issue on the way up so was defo faulty at the time
 
Gunslinger said:
Last week i drove a BMW diesel SUV from Durham to poland on 1 tank of fuel

Over 1000km in a 2 tonne SUV on 1 tank

When Battery cars get within 75% of that capability i will consider one

They have a purpose for some people, say who live reasonably local to work and can charge at home

There are lots of people who they are also pretty useless to given the nature of their individual jobs

Thats what people have to understand, different people need different solutions with transport
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Why though? A lot of people just seem genuinely a to EV and they always use range as their excuse because they know they are generally lower than diesel cars. They don't know what this would mean to them day to day, or understand how you refuel. They just use it as an excuse. Even I did back in the day
 
Blf said:
Not a chance. Someone who works for the national grid told me something the other day. I didn't really believe him so I spoke to someone who's a manager at a power station who confirmed it.
I was told that if just 9 houses on every housing estate in the Nort East switched to home charging units they would not be able to cope with the extra power needed without major change 😲
As I say I thought it was a bit of billy bulls##t until someone else confirmed it.
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Exactly.

Where is the electricity going to come from?
 
Mwelolo said:
Exactly.

Where is the electricity going to come from?
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The sun? As always.

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Vehicle to grid needs to kick off though and load balancing of the grid. That'll be a hard sell it's hard enough getting people to understand the importance of EV
 
SmallTown said:
I think people saying no chance would be surprised. EV sales are higher than expected. The grid can cope. They keep saying as such. The main problem is attitude 8t seems to me. From conversations I have people don't seem to understand EV and therefore try and resist it. Once people realise how easy it is to own an EV sales will snowball.

The other major problem of course are the huge oil companies. They will fight hard to resist it and they have deep pockets. There's so much misinformation spread about EV that is slowing things down.

As for manufacturers not being able to produce vehicles. It's an innovate or die time. Their are tonnes of Chinese manufacturers making EV. The US will resist hard. The Germans need to catch up and the Japanese need to quit trying to push failed tech like hydrogen
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If they were affordable we’d have 3 at our house.
I know a few people with them. They are either company cars or invalidity.
Most people I know will have a max budget of say 15k for a car. Most are used and expensive brands. I can’t see EV coming close to that in practical numbers
 
Facefuzz said:
If they were affordable we’d have 3 at our house.
I know a few people with them. They are either company cars or invalidity.
Most people I know will have a max budget of say 15k for a car. Most are used and expensive brands. I can’t see EV coming close to that in practical numbers
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You'll be surprised. You can pick up a tonne of Zoe's and leafs for that pric already. The used market will blossom now new sales are rocketing. There are currently 800 EV for under 15k on autotrader and that can only go up
 
BoroMart said:
No it'll get pushed back 5 years but with a levy on new petrol cars. Remember it's not a ban owning a petrol car they are looking for, it's banning the sale of new petrol cars. There will still be old petrol cars for 30 years beyond the cut off date, whenever that is.
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Be longer than 30 years, there will be petrol cars until petrol runs out all together.
 
Redwurzel said:
The roads will be cleared of poor people in the interests of protecting the environment.
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Around 30% of the poorest 10% of households & 50% of the next 10% of poorest have access to a car.
Less than 50% of those that live in council or social housing have a car, even those that rent privately it is only c.65%.

"poor people" are already being cleared from the roads.
 
SmallTown said:
This is true. It's the ban on new sales which surely we can all see is a good thing?
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I don't think anybody has a problem with that.
The car salesman I'm currently talking to about the car I'm collecting tomorrow has envisioned a huge leap in the prices of second hand petrol cars once the ban comes into force and closer to the time as the majority of the population still won't be able to afford electric cars.
For example there are hundreds of thousands of daft run around cars in this country, cheap and cheerful to run and workhorses. That trend will continue for decades to come yet. If the demand for petrol is still there you can guarantee the oil companies will still supply it.
 
There won't be a country in the world that bans the sale of petrol cars until the industry stop manufacturing them and that doesn't happen until the vast majority of new car buyers want an electric car.

That's not likely to be 7 years from now.
 
Gunslinger said:
Last week i drove a BMW diesel SUV from Durham to poland on 1 tank of fuel

Over 1000km in a 2 tonne SUV on 1 tank

When Battery cars get within 75% of that capability i will consider one

They have a purpose for some people, say who live reasonably local to work and can charge at home

There are lots of people who they are also pretty useless to given the nature of their individual jobs

Thats what people have to understand, different people need different solutions with transport
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Strange argument - you could probably get there in an EV with one top up charge charge, deffo two? And that wouldn't be a problem as I would imagine you stopped for 30 mins for comfort breaks at least once or twice.

I'm not an EV owner but the range issue seems like a non argument. We visit Kent a lot and that's 240 miles. We need to stop on the way and usually grab some food. We could easily top up when stopping.

"different people need different solutions with transport" - I totally get that and agree. Maybe you need a 2 tonne SUV but most people don't. 80% of journeys in the UK are less than 5 miles...
 
Randy said:
I don't think anybody has a problem with that.
The car salesman I'm currently talking to about the car I'm collecting tomorrow has envisioned a huge leap in the prices of second hand petrol cars once the ban comes into force and closer to the time as the majority of the population still won't be able to afford electric cars.
For example there are hundreds of thousands of daft run around cars in this country, cheap and cheerful to run and workhorses. That trend will continue for decades to come yet. If the demand for petrol is still there you can guarantee the oil companies will still supply it.
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Yeah I think we agree. Some will hold on to petrol cars as long as they can. But new cars have to stop. The EV revolution is here. And in 7 years as I have mentioned the EV market will be huge due to the huge numbers being sold
 
Laughing said:
There won't be a country in the world that bans the sale of petrol cars until the industry stop manufacturing them and that doesn't happen until the vast majority of new car buyers want an electric car.

That's not likely to be 7 years from now.
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I wonder if the car companies will effectively force us to EV as surely they need to tool up their factories massively leading up to the ban. If they can push more EV into the market prices may drop.
 
SmallTown said:
You'll be surprised. You can pick up a tonne of Zoe's and leafs for that pric already. The used market will blossom now new sales are rocketing. There are currently 800 EV for under 15k on autotrader and that can only go up
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15k is three times my car budget!
 
MolteniArcore said:
I wonder if the car companies will effectively force us to EV as surely they need to tool up their factories massively leading up to the ban. If they can push more EV into the market prices may drop.
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That may happen as a neccesity of manufacturing electric cars. I wouldn't think so though because the tooling for a2 seater convertible is different to an suv. Car companies have that tooling because people want different cars. If there is demand manufacturers comply with the demand.

Electric cars v ice cars isn't the issue. There are too many cars, full stop. Until that is sorted via self driving ubers that cost pennies to use or a much expanded public transport service we are ******* in the wind.
 
The closing of the British Volt factory in Northumberland, before it even opens, is yet more proof of Boris Johnson's pie in the sky levelling up policies were just populist politics without any substance, as are many Tory policies.
 
Laughing said:
There are too many cars, full stop. Until that is sorted via self driving ubers that cost pennies to use or a much expanded public transport service we are ******* in the wind.
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Totally agree with you there. There is no real push by the Government to reduce car numbers either - probably because they pour so much tax revenue into the coffers. Strangely though, looking at the bigger picture, less cars, less pollution and more active travel might reduce the burden on the NHS and be a net gain. Sadly Tories don't like to look at things in that fashion - they are far more reactionary that proactive.
 
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