London_Boro
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How much are they? I've not looked?
Will most people be driving a Tesla in 2022?
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SmallTown
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SmallTown
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Any particular reason?
London_Boro
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The cars, i've seen them out and about and they look nice n'tha. But how much do they go for? What's the cheapest/most expensive?
SmallTown
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The cheapest is a Model 3 for £40000 and if you go crazy with the option you could bag a Model x, with everything, for a whopping £120000
Purchase price only one thing though: Servicing costs, car tax, fuel, running costs: all significantly cheaper than an ICE vehicle.
London_Boro
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I like the idea of an electric car, but until they are more affordable, I'll stick with a normal motor.
Borotommo
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Nothing in particular. Build quality is pretty rough, for the price, but that goes for all American cars. I'm sure they'll improve as they build more and more. I do tend to go for something a bit different, probably more about me than anything.
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants
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I wouldn’t want my hard earned money falling into Musks pocket. It’s a no from me.
SmallTown
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You don’t have to get a Tesla. They are premium EVs. That’s like saying you won’t buy an ICE vehicle because Mercedes are too expensiveI like the idea of an electric car, but until they are more affordable, I'll stick with a normal motor.
London_Boro
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Fair doo's What does a reasonable EV go for? One that doesn't look like a roller skate and carries more than 2 people?
SmallTown
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Yeah good point. Mine had a loose speaker grill straight from the factory and sounds very tinny. You’re right it’s a standard American thing but hopefully it’ll improve. The ones built in Shanghai are apparently noticeable better. When the Berlin factory opens I hope that’ll be the same.
The tech and performance is otherworldly though
SmallTown
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Depends what you want. I think the Nissan Leaf and the Renault Zoe are the cheapest ones. Again offset any price on the massive savings in running costs.
Anton_Berg
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Baillie Gifford have been buying Tesla shares for their funds for a while now and have done very well out of it. They are now selling to rebalance the portfolios. However the manager of their best known investment trust, Scottish Mortgage, says he will be a buyer again as soon as the price drops.
Emmersons_BrazillianDong
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I love the minimalist look of the Model 3 inside and think it looks lovely outside too. What did you go for small town?
I absolutely love them but couldn't live with myself spending so much on a car. I'm not at all a car guy. The tech, particularly in relation to safety is fantastic.
Ferrosol
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I wouldn't invest in Tesla personally. It's a bubble waiting to pop. No way is this car company worth that much on such a tiny market share. And I've heard they've been having serious problems keeping up with orders. Supposedly if you apply now you might get a car in 4 years And there's the added risk that Elon might wake up in a bad mood one morning and tank the stock price by randomly calling someone a Paedo.
And that without going into the risks with the cars itself. Although I admit I'm not as knowledgeable on that side of things as I'd like.
And that without going into the risks with the cars itself. Although I admit I'm not as knowledgeable on that side of things as I'd like.
SilentProf
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I’ve been tracking them for a long time and the stock price has rapidly increased due to speculation that they’re close to announcing various breakthroughs. I’ve listed a few below but there are more on the horizon. Musk is generally wildly optimistic with the estimated release dates, but some are pretty close to market by all accounts.
- much cheaper batteries with little to no rare earth metals which will last a million miles before they need replacing, are fully recyclable and can charge much quicker than current batteries. A big announcement is expected very soon on the million mile battery and costs have come down significantly in recent years.
- fully automated driving, which will allow people to let the cars earn money for them as driverless taxis when they’re not using them. I don’t expect this to be allowed any time soon unless it can be proven beyond all doubt to be much safer than normal driving in all conditions. If it was allowed, they would potentially make Uber and all other taxi firms obsolete overnight. It would also bring the cost of buying one within reach of more people and give Tesla a share of all income earned through the service.
- using plugged in cars to buy from and sell to the national grid, smoothing out peaks and troughs in demand, providing backup power during outages and removing the need for expensive backup power stations. They have already registered as an energy supplier in this country so it may be coming sooner than people think with the longer lasting batteries.
- the semi truck is going to be huge in the haulage industry. It will be initially expensive to buy but massively cost effective once it’s on the road both in running and maintenance.
I was hoping they might open a new Gigafactory on the SSI land but I think Brexit scuppered any chance of a UK factory so they chose Germany instead. There’s speculation that this factory will produce a £20K-£30k hatchback for the European market in future, which I think could be a game changer
- much cheaper batteries with little to no rare earth metals which will last a million miles before they need replacing, are fully recyclable and can charge much quicker than current batteries. A big announcement is expected very soon on the million mile battery and costs have come down significantly in recent years.
- fully automated driving, which will allow people to let the cars earn money for them as driverless taxis when they’re not using them. I don’t expect this to be allowed any time soon unless it can be proven beyond all doubt to be much safer than normal driving in all conditions. If it was allowed, they would potentially make Uber and all other taxi firms obsolete overnight. It would also bring the cost of buying one within reach of more people and give Tesla a share of all income earned through the service.
- using plugged in cars to buy from and sell to the national grid, smoothing out peaks and troughs in demand, providing backup power during outages and removing the need for expensive backup power stations. They have already registered as an energy supplier in this country so it may be coming sooner than people think with the longer lasting batteries.
- the semi truck is going to be huge in the haulage industry. It will be initially expensive to buy but massively cost effective once it’s on the road both in running and maintenance.
I was hoping they might open a new Gigafactory on the SSI land but I think Brexit scuppered any chance of a UK factory so they chose Germany instead. There’s speculation that this factory will produce a £20K-£30k hatchback for the European market in future, which I think could be a game changer
SmallTown
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The Model 3 Performance. It's a hell of a machine! I didn't think I'd like the minimalist thing because I do like a good button to press but you get used to it really quickly.
@Ferrosol They are struggling to fulfil orders, yes, but not to the tune of 4 years. The Model 3 now has a 3 months lead time, which is about par for a new car, I've waited longer for a new build in the past. People seem to have waited longer for Model X's this year though for some reason.
Curious by what you mean with "the risks with the cars itself"?
SmallTown
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The heavy metals issue with the battery bugs me. It's why I cringe when people say EVs are environmental when they really aren't. Battery day is September the 22nd so it'll be interesting to see what they announce then.
Fully automated driving is a long way off, but it's a hamstrung by regulation as it is by technology. My car, for example CAN stop at traffic lights and stop signs, it CAN be summoned from across a car park, it CAN use the full turning circle to navigate roads.
I know this, because it does all these things in the US, in this country regulations don't allow it.
Borobarmy
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Delivering amazon parcels !